PHOENIX CHAT - Gold Rush

20:35] Phoenix3333: just posted 2 interesting things
[20:35] cc: would be better with an RV
[20:36] Phoenix3333: One...it seems we had over 20 million German Bank craks and accounts hit by get this....the Y2K bug
[20:36] Phoenix3333: no joke...it is in the economic news section
[20:36] rodman52: a little late?
[20:37] Phoenix3333: they say it should be fixed by next monday but it hit a few banks and millions of cards/accounts
[20:37] Doublebottoms: will that affect things worldwide?
[20:38] Phoenix3333: i was told back at Y2K that the fix was just a patch and that it would be an ongoing issue in the future and i guess they were right
[20:38] cc: 01/01/10
[20:39] Phoenix3333: over 20 million people who have no access to money
[20:39] warrior44: that would be bad
[20:39] Phoenix3333: I was directly involved with the Y2K planning on a government level when it was getting close
[20:40] Doublebottoms: did anyone question if it was a manufactured crisis or not?
[20:40] Phoenix3333: people have no idea just how serious the US government took the problem and the billions of dollars that were spent to patch the problem
[20:41] Phoenix3333: no it was 100% real and underwent serious efforts to repair
[20:41] Phoenix3333: a lot of effort went into making the whole thing seem like a non event
[20:42] Phoenix3333: but i will tell you that the US government was very serious about it and because of the billions of dollars spent to avoid problems it was a non event
[20:42] Phoenix3333: now it was a non event only because of all of the work and effort
[20:42] Doublebottoms: this makes me wonder if this will be a reoccuring event once per decade ?
[20:42] Phoenix3333: to most it was a joke and something to make fun of
[20:43] Phoenix3333: but I will tell you it was very real and the government did a great job of keeping people more or less informed but relaxed
[20:44] Phoenix3333: that was a tough task...how do you get millions of people to take a little balanaced planning and put it into place with not creating panic
[20:44] Phoenix3333: enter the comedians
[20:45] Phoenix3333: put it on the Simpsons...on Family Guy...let Letterman make jokes about it
[20:46] Phoenix3333: so that is one odd story
[20:46] Phoenix3333: also in the Energey section you will find a posting in the Orion Project section
[20:47] Phoenix3333: and Dr Greer has some great news to report
[20:47] Phoenix3333: about someone who was just relessed from a government detintion area who is now part of the Orion Project
[20:48] Phoenix3333: and this man is one of the modern Tesla
[20:49] Phoenix3333: From the post: "Top secret free energy scientist enters contract with Greer's Orion Project*On Christmas day, Steven Greer announced that the 'top secret' inventor "
[20:49] Phoenix3333: "they've talked about has been released early from military seclusion, and has contracted with them to bring a Tesla-related free energy technology to the world.*
[20:50] sandman: Phoenix...if that info is true about free energy ( and I believe it is ) would that not drop the value of the dinar?
[20:50] Phoenix3333: I tell you what.....2010 is going to be a great year!
[20:50] Jc: I would agree to that Phx
[20:50] Phoenix3333: RV....and other great things!
[20:53] Jc: Hoefully the fuse is lit, and the rocket IS taking off..For all aspects.
[20:53] Phoenix3333: So with the other great news we have today out of Iraq and all of the good intel
[20:54] Jc: Phx, do you think they will wait until the bug is fixed?
[20:54] Phoenix3333: so it is a great day
[20:54] Jc: to RV
[20:54] Phoenix3333: great news...and good stuff
[20:54] Phoenix3333: anyone hear from soready?
[20:54] Phoenix3333: she having the baby tioday or tomorrow?
[20:55] pencer: today
[20:55] Phoenix3333: Jc no
[20:55] warrior44: today I thought
[20:55] TRUTH: she was having the procedure done at noon
[20:55] Jc: Ty
[20:55] Phoenix3333: they will go at anytime now
[20:55] Phoenix3333: Truth noon today?
[20:55] TRUTH: yes
[20:55] Phoenix3333: cool
[20:55] TRUTH: was hoping Gonzo would let us know
[20:55] warrior44: So your thinking RV before the 12th
[20:55] pencer: Pacific time
[20:56] Phoenix3333: let me see if I can get some "baby intel"
[20:56] Phoenix3333: brb
[20:56] pencer: lol
[20:57] Phoenix3333: ok
[20:57] Phoenix3333: hold
[20:57] Phoenix3333: intel coming in
[20:58] lakehouse: hi
[20:58] pencer: hi
[20:58] Jc: Hey lake
[20:58] lakehouse: how is everyone
[20:58] Phoenix3333: ok intel
[20:58] TRUTH: hi lake
[20:58] bookey: hello lake
[20:58] Phoenix3333: a little BOY!
[20:58] TRUTH: good
[20:58] lakehouse: hi there
[20:59] Doublebottoms: good, how about U?
[20:59] Phoenix3333: 9 lb 2 oz
[20:59] Phoenix3333: 21 in
[20:59] lakehouse: tell her congrats
[20:59] Jc: Sweet!
[20:59] TRUTH: wow
[20:59] Delphine1:
[20:59] Doublebottoms: name yet?
[20:59] Phoenix3333: and the wanted to name him RV
[20:59] lakehouse: 9 lbs!
[20:59] Doublebottoms: robert victor
[20:59] lakehouse: wowsa yowsa
[20:59] Jc: big boy!
[20:59] Phoenix3333: but they went with the name Cash
[21:00] lakehouse: nice
[21:00] lakehouse: cash n carry
[21:00] Doublebottoms: lol
[21:00] Jc: lol
[21:00] Phoenix3333: So a Boy named Cash
[21:00] warrior44: cashnn
[21:00] lakehouse: how is she
[21:00] lakehouse: tell her everyone said hi
[21:00] Phoenix3333: she is fine
[21:01] Phoenix3333: they are happy
[21:01] Doublebottoms: she was past due, correct?
[21:01] lakehouse: and hubby too
[21:01] Phoenix3333: Gonzo is fine
[21:01] lakehouse: she was scheduled doe today
[21:01] lakehouse: c section
[21:01] lakehouse: good thing
[21:01] Doublebottoms: ok
[21:01] lakehouse: ouch
[21:02] lakehouse: she must feel at least 9 lbs lighter
[21:02] Phoenix3333: lol
[21:02] lakehouse:
[21:03] lakehouse: if you stare at the little icon face, you'd swear that it was alive
[21:03] Phoenix3333: it is
[21:03] lakehouse: lol
[21:03] Doublebottoms: a cute winker
[21:04] lakehouse: it is .. how do they do that
[21:04] lakehouse: my robot maid will wear a smile like that
[21:04] Jc: Truth, Don't tase me Bro, now that was funny..I can't believe he actually tried that..I needed that,,,Thanks!
[21:05] TRUTH: yw lol
[21:05] lakehouse: and wink at the guests at the huge catered dinner party
[21:05] lakehouse: i thinks it's going to be illegal to tase the bros
known as Semper Fi
[21:05] Phoenix3333: saw that
[21:06] lakehouse: no fun for anyone
[21:06] Jc: I don't know...but that was sooo funny
[21:06] lakehouse: it is
[21:06] TRUTH: this guy did it to himself
[21:06] lakehouse: oh! didn't see that one
[21:06] lakehouse: my accident?
[21:07] lakehouse: by
[21:07] TRUTH: posted in forum under humor
[21:07] Jc: Could he have been a "redneck"?
[21:07] lakehouse: ok i will check it out
[21:07] K8GJGB: hey Blitz didn't see you come in
[21:07] lakehouse: hell yeah
[21:07] lakehouse: could of been jc
[21:08] Jc: I still am chuckling
[21:08] Blitz: hey K8 just working on some layouts so mostly just lurking around
[21:08] lakehouse: brb i need to see it
[21:10] K8GJGB: you ready to start text messanging blitz
[21:11] Blitz: sure I can do both
[21:12] TRUTH: JC and rodman -- dont miss this one
[21:12] TRUTH: http://afterthegoldrush.lefora.com/2009/08/27/the-dam-response/#post4
[21:12] lakehouse: very funny..truth
[21:12] Jc: Truth I did see that one..It was good
[21:12] TRUTH: ok
[21:12] rodman52: just read it , on the floor
[21:12] K8GJGB: that way you don't have to stand out in the cold and hollier you text and run to the bank
[21:13] Phoenix3333: man that is soooooooo funny
[21:13] Phoenix3333: I laughed this time just like the first time I read it
[21:13] TRUTH: which one?
[21:14] Phoenix3333: the Don't Tase me BRO!
[21:14] rodman52: don't tas me bro
[21:14] Jc: Yep , that's great..
[21:14] 48hotrod: k8, sent you one
[21:14] K8GJGB: got it
[21:15] K8GJGB: we will see
[21:15] 48hotrod: that is what I said in the last one
[21:16] Jc: Well guys..and gals I have too run..Thx phx for the update..
[21:16] TRUTH: gn JC
[21:16] Blitz: K8 I could always cash mine in first then call everyone
[21:16] 48hotrod: yes thanks phx, see everyone tomorrow
[21:19] K8GJGB: that is true blitz
[21:20] Phoenix3333: ok
known as snowwhite
[21:20] Phoenix3333: I am off reading
[21:21] TRUTH: Phx --
[21:21] TRUTH: did you ever fix that page that was not formatted righ ?
[21:21] TRUTH: rught?
[21:21] TRUTH: right?
[21:22] Phoenix3333: it looks ok to me TS
[21:22] TRUTH: ok will recheck it may be just on my pc strange
[21:22] TRUTH: thx
[21:23] pencer: awesome world announcement Phoenix
[21:23] Phoenix3333: yes i just checked again
[21:23] Phoenix3333: it seems ok
[21:24] pencer: amazing
[21:24] TRUTH: well it is way way screwed up on my pc -- very weird
[21:24] Phoenix3333: the one on time travel posted by landinar
[21:24] TRUTH: the time travel one
[21:24] Phoenix3333: hmmmmmmm
[21:24] Phoenix3333: that is odd
[21:24] pencer: the freed scientist
[21:24] TRUTH: I will rebbot again
[21:24] TRUTH: reboot
[21:25] TRUTH: the reply page is behind the article
[21:25] warrior44: That would be cool, back to the future
[21:25] pencer: back to my past
[21:26] TRUTH: okay folks thanks for the chat - will see if there is anythin to post --
[21:27] TRUTH: and work on my spelling or typing ?? lol
[21:27] Phoenix3333: lol
[21:27] Phoenix3333: man my typing sucks
[21:27] pencer: yes
[21:27] Phoenix3333: it use to be good...

[21:27] Phoenix3333: I have no idea how i let it get so bad...
[21:27] Phoenix3333: no joke
[21:27] Phoenix3333: lol
[21:27] TRUTH: I get in too big of a hurry
[21:28] Phoenix3333: same here
[21:28] warrior44: I have the hunt and peck method
[21:28] Phoenix3333: I have to hit the hay
[21:28] pencer: gn Phoenix
[21:28] Phoenix3333: see everyone in the am
[21:28] TRUTH: gn Phoenix and everyone rest well
[21:28] warrior44: gn
[21:29] Phoenix3333: all is good and we can see the RV anytime keep your chin up and aim high
[21:29] Merliln: Good night all
[21:29] Phoenix3333: night
[21:29] pencer: will do
[21:29] Phoenix3333: has left the room

This is the joke they were all laughing about.....
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THEIR DAM SKILLS - THEIR DAM INGENUITY - THEIR DAM PERSISTENCE - THEIR DAM RESOURCEFULNESS - THEIR DAM DETERMINATION - AND THEIR DAM WORK ETHICS *******

This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan DeVries regarding a pond on his property. It was sent by the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Quality, State of Pennsylvania . This guy's response is hilarious, but read the State's letter before you get to the response letter.

SUBJECT: DEQ File No.97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Lycoming County

Dear Mr. DeVries:

It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity: Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond.

A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Pennsylvania Compiled Laws, annotated.

The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations.

We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted.

The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2008.

Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action.. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if
you have any questions.

Sincerely,

David L. Price
District Representative and Water Management Division.

Here is the actual response sent back by Mr. DeVries:
Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Lycoming County

Dear Mr. Price,

Your certified letter dated 11/25/07 has been handed to me to respond to.
I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at 2088 Dagget Lane , Trout Run, Pennsylvania .

A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood 'debris' dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures building materials 'debris.'

I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic.

PICTURE DID NOT COPY - SORRY

These are the beavers/contractors you are seeking. As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity.

My first dam question to you is:
(1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers, or
(2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request?

If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued.

(Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental
Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Pennsylvania Compiled Laws, annotated.)

I have several concerns. My first concern is, aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation -- so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event, causing flooding, is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling them dam names.

If you want the stream 'restored' to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers -- but if you are going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter, they being unable to read English.

In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to live and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources and Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the natural resources (Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams).

So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until 1/31/2008? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then and there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them.

In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention to a real environmental quality, health, problem in the area. It is the bears! Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! The bears are not careful where they dump!

Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office.

THANK YOU,
RYAN DEVRIES
& THE DAM BEAVER