ENOCH8 & MARYHELLEN CHAT - Gold Rush

[11:49] Enoch8: People at each others throats..... progress comes to a standstill..... I am glad I am not working this week....
[11:50] Enoch8: I think it would have been one of those really tough weeks with having the Midas touch....
[11:50] Enoch8: where everything I touch turns to Crap.....
[11:50] Enoch8: ever had one of those days?
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[11:52] Enoch8: It passes tomorrow and Friday into an opposite aspect...... much more favorable
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[11:52] Enoch8: Reminds me of having bad gas.... this will pass.
[11:53] dor69: It is amazing how God reminds us of how much he is looking out for us through even the stars. He is so faithful and good all the time
[11:53] dor69: 
[11:53] Enoch8: Yes He is.
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[11:54] Enoch8: I have a feeling ... if I had been in Vegas this week.... I would have lost a lot.
[11:54] Enoch8: And even the Casino would have lost..... 
[11:55] Enoch8: Like everyone in the place would be snake bit.
[11:55] dor69: Yes, sounds like it would have been a good week to take a holiday.
[11:56] dor69: BBL, some coffee and a little coding
[11:56] Enoch8: Have a good one
[11:56] dor69: I love the life of a consultant. At least if one has to work, he can do it on his own time.
[11:56] dor69: yeah...ttyl
[11:57] dor69: thank for the update in YO
[11:57] Enoch8: Hey..... anyone listening....
[11:58] sandman: Here...
[11:58] Enoch8: The last time we had such aspects was Nov. 19th or so....
[11:58] dor69: still here
[11:58] Enoch8: Do you remember what happened then?
[11:59] dor69: was that the 1.49 leak
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[12:02] Enoch8: WOW
[12:02] dor69: what
[12:02] Enoch8: Blackout
[12:03] Enoch8: We have had that going on for 2 days now
[12:03] dor69: where?
[12:03] Enoch8: AZ
[12:03] dor69: no power in AZ
[12:04] Enoch8: Whole city was shut down all night... on the Rim
[12:04] Enoch8: on and off every couple of hours since
[12:04] Enoch8: from 2 days ago
[12:05] dor69: wow
[12:05] Enoch8: OK..... I was gonna say what happened Nov 19th
[12:06] Enoch8: That was the last time period Iraq Birth Charts showed aspects of contention....
[12:06] Enoch8: Bombs killed a bunch of people then...
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[12:06] Enoch8: 3 days of mourning...
[12:06] Enoch8: remember?
[12:07] dor69: oh yeah
[12:07] Enoch8: Same thing this week
[12:07] landinar: yes
[12:07] Enoch8: That is why Phx was so adamant about what Mary Helen saw for this week....
[12:08] dor69: that is very interesting
[12:08] Enoch8: In the words of Mary Helen and Phoenix for Monday through Thursday.... "RV, NO Way In Hell."
[12:08] Enoch8: Not till Friday and Saturday
[12:09] Enoch8: Because Jupiter and Saturn are in Square in Iraq Birth charts until Friday....
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[12:09] Enoch8: and it moves into some of the most fantastic aspects we have seen Friday and Saturday.
[12:10] Enoch8: All bodys are in conjunct trine and sextile..... very good....
[12:10] Enoch8: Sat
[12:10] Enoch8: urday
[12:10] dor69: lets hope this is it
[12:11] Enoch8: It should be.... it is extremely favorable for the Oil Bids those days
[12:11] Enoch8: Also... for all secret deals concerning the Money and Investors in and outside of Iraq.
[12:12] Enoch8: All sectors of Investmends and development... both politically and moneterily.
[12:13] Enoch8: As I said.... this Saturn and Jupiter Square thing will pass quickly
[12:14] Enoch8: It even effects all of us who are vested interests of Iraq.... because we fit into the aspects of Iraq and all people concerned..... with the country or person represented in those natal charts
[12:15] Enoch8: It explains also.... why some of us have been really tempermental and at each others throats this week....
[12:15] Enoch8: I pray we all forgive and forget the mean things we say and do.
[12:16] dor69: Thanks for extending my hope E...good to know...ok...I am out for a while.
[12:16] Enoch8: 
[12:17] landinar: Thanks Big E
[12:17] Enoch8: You bet ld. any time.
[12:17] dor69: Forgiveness is key'...if ya don't forgive then you expose yourself to all kinds of icky attacts like disease, and other pain
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[12:17] dor69: attacks
[12:17] Enoch8: Yes.
[12:18] Enoch8: And I am certainly no saint 
[12:18] Enoch8: Fragile we humans and mortal beings we are.
[12:18] dor69: me either
[12:18] dor69: bbl
[12:18] Enoch8: Life is precious and we are not made of steel.
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[12:27] capt-ron: enoch8 i answerd you back in im sorry i was moving a vanity up stairs
[12:27] Enoch8: Its cool....
[12:28] capt-ron: thats what i like to hear
[12:31] Nana-4X: Thanks Enoch for the information, a lot of us have not been able to get in to see what is happening here at times, I know I haven't been able to get in, in the evernings. Thank you SO MUCH for all you do for us. 
[12:32] Enoch8: We are trying to give updates as often as possible in this room....
[12:32] Nana-4X: Appreciate it
[12:33] Enoch8: you bet .... me too...
[12:33] Enoch8: It was told by phx on Monday, he thought it would be a slow week...
[12:34] Enoch8: even still he has dropped in from time to time with what little real intel this week.
[12:34] Enoch8: We think it looks great for Fri and Sat.
[12:34] Nana-4X: Sounds SOOOO Good. 
[12:35] Enoch8: He also said, his contact thinks the RV will come just as O Admin can announce a jobs stimulous.... so they can take the credit for the economic recovery to follow the RV
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[12:37] Enoch8: I believe Maliki does have the release ready for CBI etc.... and I also believe our Treasury awaits instuctions for it to be released.
[12:38] Enoch8: But even Gueitner himself may not know until the PTB give him his orders.
[12:40] Enoch8: IMHO.... the contract with TBI and Rueters.... would signal Forex and the Banks to instructions being released.
[12:40] Enoch8: My reasoning is simple....
[12:40] Enoch8: If World Trading of commodities and currency pairs are authorized by WB....
[12:41] Enoch8: Iraq must have a valued currency with a recognized fixed rate....
[12:41] Enoch8: which is does not until RV or RI what ever you want to call it.
[12:43] Enoch8: IMO..... there are several scenarios I play over and over in my head , as I watch the news.... intel and engage discussion on this and ask questions as to each possible scenario.
[12:44] Enoch8: There is no question in my mind, Iraq is poised to Fix a Rate and enter World market as a legitimate and recognised currency and trading partner.
[12:45] Enoch8: So, the questions I ask are how much? Not IF..... but How Much?
[12:46] Enoch8: Then reason all logical conclusions with all possible scenarios
[12:48] Enoch8: One would be a low rate.... which I conclude cannot be under a dollar... as it would immediately be grabbed up by the Billionaire speculators of the giant markets....and would have an adverse effect on Iraq economy.
[12:48] Enoch8: So I rule out under a dollar.
[12:49] Enoch8: Based on the world top economics advisors who have run these same scenarios and estimates.... based on REEL methodologies....
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[12:49] Enoch8: released by the IMF and Ministry of Planning of the GOI....
[12:49] Enoch8: Models were set at 1.13 2 years back....
[12:50] Enoch8: but concidering History.... 
[12:51] Enoch8: Iraq was a value of natural resources, capital and productivity per populous....at about an average of 3.40 or so for nearly a hundred years.
[12:51] Enoch8: It was always at about the rate of the British Pound.... no matter how they pegged it.
[12:52] Enoch8: The pound today is around, what.... just over a dollar fifty or so?
[12:52] Enoch8: BUT>>>>
[12:52] Enoch8: Islamic law forbids usery as in British and American banking
[12:53] Enoch8: So inflation tells me.... the rate is higher than the GBP.
[12:53] Enoch8: Depending on the methodology used by the IMF....
[12:54] Enoch8: who states they want to see currencies of trading partners on par with like producers.... regionally .... 
[12:55] Enoch8: Par for Arab oil procucers is anywhere from 1.65 to 2.66 depending on the methodology used.
[12:55] Enoch8: Over 3+ would be a likely scenario for the value to rise to.... after a locked rate for about 30 days following the RV
[12:56] Enoch8: IMHO
[12:56] Enoch8: But.... whether there is a time limit on redeeming the Dinar we hold is a risk.
[12:57] Enoch8: It would also be a real risk even if they bring the Reds back in by attrition.
[12:58] Enoch8: It would be the most profitable for the big traders.... the lower they set the innitial value....obviously....
[12:58] Enoch8: as they would drive the price when they begin to allow the natural fluctuations of the open market.
[12:59] Enoch8: My next question is this: Why then do the big investors as wallstreet and large brokerages not grab up all dinar at a tenth of a penny?
[13:00] Enoch8: My answer is this... The Corporate have a liability issue with an unrecognised currency.
[13:01] Enoch8: The would pay 2 dollars for a recognised currency before they will pay one penny fo a currency not recognised.
[13:01] Enoch8: Get it?
[13:01] Enoch8: So, my next question is this....
[13:01] Enoch8: What keeps Iraq from going the way of Argentina and doing an inflation lop?
[13:02] Enoch8: The answer is simple....
[13:02] Enoch8: Argentina does not have the per capita value as the potential of Iraq or nowhere near it.
[13:03] Enoch8: So the money in Argentina can never be worth higher ratios in the world market.
[13:04] Enoch8: Iraq has traditionally had for nearly a hundred years a proven and potential especially in its war torn state to about 3 and a half times the natural wealth per capita of the US.
[13:04] Enoch8: Because of its vast underground wealth and potwential productivity.
[13:05] Enoch8: What that says in macro economics.... is that Dinar will be about 3 and a half times the USD.... in a natural balance.
[13:06] Enoch8: So..... the figure of 2.47..... I believe is real and will be the most likely rate....
[13:06] Enoch8: but.... who knows?
[13:07] Enoch8: Economists all have different views but based on very similar ways to arrive at theoretic methodologies and Real Estimated Exchange Rates
[13:07] Enoch8: Per IMF website.
[13:07] Enoch8: Hope you enjoyed and copied all that.
[13:09] Nana-4X: Enoch, Yes I did copy. Thank you AGAIN................WOW You explained this SOOOO Well. I think the 2.47 that has been going around sounds GREAT. I have to run and get my granddaughter from school. My hubby will be lurking here, 
[13:10] Enoch8: Please save your copy and email or post it wherever you want to.
[13:10] Enoch8: I get asked that a lot and have shared that with very few people.
[13:10] Enoch8: But in bits and pieces.
[13:11] Enoch8: The different possible scenarios is way to long for a chat room
[13:12] Enoch8: but you get the conclusion condensed version.
[13:12] Enoch8: It comes out the same every time I run it.
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[13:12] Nash: that was some good, stuff, Enoch
[13:12] Enoch8: with different overall outcomes
[13:12] Enoch8: TY Nash.... I like it too
[13:13] Enoch8: different outcomes meaning.... they do not come out as favorably as the method at 2.47.
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[13:14] Enoch8: So I believe the worlds experts and top economists are arriving at the similar conclusions as I am.
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[13:15] Enoch8: The next best does indeed come close to the 1.47 rate we are also hearing about.
[13:15] landinar: Thanks for laying it all out Big E
[13:15] Nana-4X: Yes Enoch, I will e-mail the copy to myself. If someone wants to post it somewhere, I will e-mail to them later. ENOCH.....I loved it. You do a great JOB of explaining things. I really have to go be back in a few. 
[13:15] Nana-4X: Like I said, I am not logging out cause Hubby will be lurking. See everyone in a few.
[13:15] Enoch8: That is why I am adjusting my personal estimates fro 1.13 to 3+ range, to 1.47 to 2.66
[13:16] Enoch8: Nana
[13:17] Enoch8: Gimme a dollar NOW and let me worry about making it into 5 +
[13:18] Nash: E , ? what was Mh saying about later this week ?
[13:18] Enoch8: It looks Super a day or 2 before and after the 12th Nash

[[13:27] MaryHelen: I had a nice phone call with mr. Ph. this a.m. while my puter was being repaired...Mag is working today
[13:27] Enoch8: Cool
[13:27] Enoch8: How are he and Lakey?
[13:27] MaryHelen: He informed me that the oil auctions are Sat. in Iraq.
[13:28] MaryHelen: That will be SUCH a better day for them to do tha than when they did it back in the summer
[13:28] MaryHelen: That was a horrible day for them to do those auctions.
[13:28] MaryHelen: But, this Sat. should go greatly for them.
[13:28] MaryHelen: Ph. asked me if I thought that the rv could be before the auctions.
[13:29] MaryHelen: I did "not" know when the date had been set for the auctions...but that day is perfect for that.
[13:30] Enoch8: Yes precisely MH
[13:30] Enoch8: That is why I am so fired up today.
[13:30] MaryHelen: At about 2:20 p.m. in Baghdad on Sat., their prophet's star= Syrma is conjuncted again by the transiting Moon.
[13:31] MaryHelen: And, this sets into motion the later timing when that moon conjuncts and sets-off the natal grand trine in I's chart.
[13:31] MaryHelen: So, if they have calculated the timing of the auctions to begin at about 2:20 there, then that will be a blessing and an honor to
[13:32] MaryHelen: their Prophet...by his star being prominent then.
[13:32] MaryHelen: But, later in the day there, at around 8 p.m. Baghdad time,
[13:33] MaryHelen: the aspects are phenomenal for Iraq and for their monetary system, their workforce, and their debtors (open enemies), and 
[13:33] MaryHelen: investors to be somehow highlighted and acknowledged
[13:34] MaryHelen: SOOOOOO, was I "just" seeing the oil/gas auctions on Sat.........I don't think so.
[13:34] MaryHelen: I don't know if one is dependent on the other.
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[13:35] MaryHelen: BUT, at around 8 p.m. all of the aspects are glowing for Iraq as a sovereign nation
[13:35] MaryHelen: to move forward. Is that an RV ? I don't know. There is no such thing in astrology as an RV aspect, but I have to
[13:36] MaryHelen: weigh the options and possibilities and "think" that something could pop and finish what needs to be done for that nation
[13:36] MaryHelen: to be 100% sovereign.
[13:37] MaryHelen: I could bore you all with the details, but just know that the chart for Sat. in Baghdad looks financially great
[13:37] Nash: thats 8 pm bagdad time friday ?
[13:37] MaryHelen: for them and also for its debtors and investors.
[13:39] MaryHelen: Phoenix tells me that this is after evening prayers
[13:39] MaryHelen: and about the time of the evening news there.
[13:40] MaryHelen: One thing that really stoked-me about the time is that Iraq's own Mars (their investors and debtors and supporters) will be exactly rising
[13:40] MaryHelen: at the time of their evening news.
[13:40] Enoch8: That is great stuff MH and we are definately not bored.
[13:40] Enoch8: I am eating this up and still copying
[13:40] MaryHelen: So, when Ph. said that the auctions on oil and gas occur that day....that is "investors"
[13:41] MaryHelen: .....but it could also be us as investors.
[13:41] Enoch8: Yes precisely
[13:41] Nash: why is the bottle rocket fuse is always, 3-4 days long
[13:41] MaryHelen: I am no magician....all I can do is look at this stuff and render an intelligent decision and opinion.
[13:42] MaryHelen: Computers and cars I can't fix.....astrology, I can do.
[13:42] MaryHelen: So, we'll see IF I have "thought" accurately.
[13:42] MaryHelen: So, we'll see IF I have "thought" accurately.
[13:43] MaryHelen: Thanks, brl, the health care bill shows in the US's chart.
[13:43] Enoch8: I believe you are spot on MaryHelen
[13:43] MaryHelen: it shows as a big "self-undoing".
[13:51] MaryHelen: okay, one last little thing that "I" thought was very interesting....at around that 8 p.m. time in Baghdad on Sat.....
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[13:51] landinar: Thank You MH
[13:51] MaryHelen: Besides the fact that Iraq's own Mars is rising at that time (the investors, debtors, supporters)....also,
[13:52] MaryHelen: on the 9th. house of the chart at that time
[13:52] MaryHelen: is Iraq's "Part of Bequest" = what they give forth.
[13:53] MaryHelen: The 9th. house = legalities and overseas dealings are given forth.
[13:53] MaryHelen: The 9th. house = legalities and overseas dealings are given forth.
[13:53] MaryHelen: I just thought that that was "highly" interesting.
[13:54] MaryHelen: Okay, I'm done and also thank you, Enoch, for all of your wisdom above.
[13:54] Enoch8: Thanks again MH You Rock
[13:54] Enoch8: Enoch OK too I guess.... 
[13:54] Enoch8: LOL
[13:54] MaryHelen: You are great!
[13:54] landinar: lol
[13:54] Nash: it was all good, thank you both
[13:55] landinar: your both great!!!!!