SFMedic says to (04:31:04):
OK AS FAR AS IT IS BEING RELAYED TO ME
Iknowthedate says to (04:31:13):
cool that was cool
SFMedic says to (04:31:14):
THERE WILL BE NO AUCTION TODAY
SFMedic says to (04:31:27):
THAT CBI IS TO BE CLOSED ALSO
SFMedic says to (04:31:33):
NOW THERE IS NO HOLIDAY
SFMedic says to (04:31:41):
AND THIS IS NOT SCHEDULED
SFMedic says to (04:31:58):
BUT LET'S NOT GET AHEAD OF OURSELVES
SFMedic says to (04:32:17):
WE HAVE NEVER BEEN THIS CLOSE BEFORE
SFMedic says to (04:32:30):
WE HAVE TILL 5AM CST
SFMedic says to (04:32:38):
IF NO AUCTION BY THEN
SFMedic says to (04:32:49):
THEN WE ARE VERY VERY CLOSE
SFMedic says to (04:33:03):
WE HAVE 90 MINUTES GANG
SFMedic says to (04:33:28):
OH CRAP LET THIS LORD BE THE TIME FOR ALL THESE FINE PEOPLE WHO HAVE WAITED SO PATIENTLY
SFMedic says to (04:33:43):
SORRY ABOUT THAT
Cool says to (04:33:47):
AMEN MEDIC
Sunday, January 3, 2010
Saturday, January 2, 2010
FRANK POST - KTF Missions
Intel………….Thursday night we were put on high alert for the RI. It was expected that yesterday we would see something. Unfortunately only the banks are seeing it and we are not privileged to it yet. The intel is coming from the UK area……….and no ……….it is not the UK sources that another forum has. Although it is encouraging to me to see a correlation with our sources. As of Thursday………..they were very adamant. Yesterday …………there was calm as we felt that we were in the eye of a hurricane. Today ………….they are giving us 5 other sources in the banking industry that are pointing to Monday as high alert once again. Please forgive me Family for even suggesting a target date. I……… like you…………get weary. But I am moved to share this with you. I know that there are things happening that are good for us as we speak. But IMO………the most important intel that I can share with you right now is to ………..stay in constant prayer. If I could peak through the Venetian blinds of the future………..deep in my heart I may regret my impatience today.
PHOENIX CHAT - Gold Rush
[18:32] Phoenix3333: everyone hearing the rumors?
[18:32] Phoenix3333: some sezzzzzzzz
[18:32] Phoenix3333: we have rates showing on the Chase system?
[18:32] Phoenix3333: some sez
[18:32] Phoenix3333: 3+
[18:33] Phoenix3333: but so far.......................
[18:33] Phoenix3333: no word
[18:33] Phoenix3333: I will get a text when it happens as per the interbank swift system
[18:33] Phoenix3333: so far....no text
[18:34] Phoenix3333: word with some is that someone at a Chase Bank somewhere in the US is saying the new rate is showing
[18:35] Phoenix3333: but that is yet to be confirmed by known banking personnel
[18:36] Phoenix3333: so far so good
[18:37] Phoenix3333: but so far no text so it looks like it is not confirmed.....but I will have word soon
[18:37] Phoenix3333: everyone think happy thoughts...
[18:32] Phoenix3333: some sezzzzzzzz
[18:32] Phoenix3333: we have rates showing on the Chase system?
[18:32] Phoenix3333: some sez
[18:32] Phoenix3333: 3+
[18:33] Phoenix3333: but so far.......................
[18:33] Phoenix3333: no word
[18:33] Phoenix3333: I will get a text when it happens as per the interbank swift system
[18:33] Phoenix3333: so far....no text
[18:34] Phoenix3333: word with some is that someone at a Chase Bank somewhere in the US is saying the new rate is showing
[18:35] Phoenix3333: but that is yet to be confirmed by known banking personnel
[18:36] Phoenix3333: so far so good
[18:37] Phoenix3333: but so far no text so it looks like it is not confirmed.....but I will have word soon
[18:37] Phoenix3333: everyone think happy thoughts...
ANNONYMOUS POSTER - Dinar Vets
Here's what we have...
- Muydinar has family/friends in Dubai who called and said as early as next week.
- Floridadinar has source in Treas. Dept. who says Mon.
- Terryk has been saying any day it should happen.
- Dinar Hunter got a call from big wig in major U.S. bank who says Monday 6 country reval including Iraq.
- SBX has friends who follow ISX who are not invested in dinar who think that it could go international as early as Monday.
5 different people with different sources, presumably, all pointing to Monday.
- Muydinar has family/friends in Dubai who called and said as early as next week.
- Floridadinar has source in Treas. Dept. who says Mon.
- Terryk has been saying any day it should happen.
- Dinar Hunter got a call from big wig in major U.S. bank who says Monday 6 country reval including Iraq.
- SBX has friends who follow ISX who are not invested in dinar who think that it could go international as early as Monday.
5 different people with different sources, presumably, all pointing to Monday.
PHOENIX CHAT - Gold Rush
[18:49] stargate: Phoenix have you seen the information from ASYMAN?
[19:05] Phoenix3333: That is one of the ones we are checking out
[19:07] Phoenix3333: Ok, SFMEDIC reporting no confirmation on this
[19:07] Phoenix3333: no banking contacts to back it up
[19:08] Phoenix3333: so everyone just hope for the best
[19:09] Phoenix3333: the only one we will get this info from for sure before it shows or before the banks are open will be the banking contacts that SFMEDIC has
[19:09] Phoenix3333: they are true and proven, and have been used many times to debunk rumors.'
[19:09] Phoenix3333: but we will just have to see
[19:09] Phoenix3333: because i an fully expecting this
[19:18] Phoenix3333: ok looking good
[19:18] Phoenix3333: we are hearing good stuff
[19:05] Phoenix3333: That is one of the ones we are checking out
[19:07] Phoenix3333: Ok, SFMEDIC reporting no confirmation on this
[19:07] Phoenix3333: no banking contacts to back it up
[19:08] Phoenix3333: so everyone just hope for the best
[19:09] Phoenix3333: the only one we will get this info from for sure before it shows or before the banks are open will be the banking contacts that SFMEDIC has
[19:09] Phoenix3333: they are true and proven, and have been used many times to debunk rumors.'
[19:09] Phoenix3333: but we will just have to see
[19:09] Phoenix3333: because i an fully expecting this
[19:18] Phoenix3333: ok looking good
[19:18] Phoenix3333: we are hearing good stuff
ASYMAN POST - Nenos Place
We have just finished a conference call with our US Contact and 2 European bankers. These are two new banks making now 5. This is what they have told us. They have both confirmed RV 4th Jan. They have told us it is over $3+. They told us that some will be cashing in on Monday, and some on Tuesday. We assumed this is down to time zone differences. These contacts were 100% convinced that this is done. Also, they told us that in there opinion the rate changes from the other countries are directly related to the RV in Iraq, and that the IMF are the ones who are controlling the release, never been anyone else but the IMF. With so many banks having a pending rate on the screen, I am convinced at last we are done. Good Luck to everyone!
SFMEDIC CHAT - Dinar Speculator
GOOD AFTERNOON DS. I HAVE SOME NEWS OR POSSIBLE NEWS. I WILL KNOW IN 30 MINUTES IF IT IS BS OR NOT. I WAS INFORMED THAT CHASE IS SHOWING AN INTERBANK RATE OF $3 PLUS FOR RELEASE TO PUBLIC VIEW ON MONDAY JAN 4 2010. BUT I DO NOT HAVE ANYONE TO CONFIRM IT FOR ME AT CHASE, SO THE VP OF CITIBANK CORPORATE IS HELPING US OUT AS A FAVOR TO LANACHY. HE IS GOING TO PULL THE INTERBANK RATE AND SEE IF THIS IS FACT OR NOT. BUT IT WILL TAKE HIM 30 MINUTES TO DO SO FOR ME. AS SOON AS I KNOW IF IT IS TRUE OR NOT I WILL LET YOU KNOW ASAP. DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH. I AM JUST FOLLOWING A LEAD WE THOUGHT NEEDED TO BE DEBUNKED OR PROVEN. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO CHECK OUT. THANKS GANG I WILL BE BACK WITH THE TRUTH IN ABOUT 30 MINUTES.
SFMEDIC / BGPATTON2 CHAT - Dinar Speculator
SFMEDIC:
HEY GANG. SORRY A LOT OF STUFF POSSIBLY GOING ON. I HAD LANACHY CONTACT AS I SAID THE VP AT CB (CitiBank) IN NY, AND THE INTERBANK RATE WILL NOT BE POSTED UNTIL 3AM EST "IF" THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE IN THE RATE AT ALL. THAT IS 3AM EST SUNDAY. NOW 10 MINUTES AFTER I POSTED ON HERE THAT WE WERE TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THE RUMOR WAS TRUE. "EXTREME'S" SITE WAS POSTING THEY HAD 5 CONFIRMS IN THE UK OF THE RATE BEING THERE, AND IT WAS COMING ON MONDAY. THEN KTF REPORTS THEY HAVE 5 CONFIRMATIONS FROM THE UK ALSO FROM THEIR SOURCES BUT ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN EXTREME'S. NOW I CAN TELL YOU THIS EXTREME IS NOT ONE TO LIE. IF HE TRULY IS THE ONE WHO CLAIMS THE SOURCES, I WOULD PROBABLY BELIEVE HIM.
BUT ALL THIS IS JUST TOO CONVENIENT. SO RIGHT NOW I PERSONALLY DO NOT HAVE ONE CONFIRMATION FROM A BANK, AND IF THE CORPORATE VP CAN'T SEE IT YET, THEN NOBODY ELSE CAN EITHER. WHAT HAS THIS WORLD COME TO? DOES NOT THE TRUTH MATTER ANY MORE TO ANYONE? I WILL NOT POST SOMETHING THAT IS NOT TRUE UNTIL I CAN SAY CASH IN, WHICH I CAN'T. THERE IS NOTHING VERIFIED AND THE EARLIEST I CAN IS 3AM EST, AND I WAS TOLD THAT ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON TO LOOK AT 5PM EST FOR THE RATE TO APPEAR, IF IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. NOW AS OF TODAY THE U.S. AND IRAQ WERE NEGOTIATING A TIME LINE.
bgpatton2: \
med, if i can mention something... when i told you about the call i took, the first thing out of his mouth was i hope your sitting down. This was around 6:15 pm central. He said he just got off the phone and was told that the RV is done, that by 5 pm central Sunday we will see the rate. My heart started beating pretty hard. I said are you sure?
He said this is confirmed. No more waiting. No more delays. It's done! I said sounds great to me, so i am sticking my neck out again i guess. If this is wrong, take me off the site, lol!... just the messenger here. Sorry, fingers shaking... back to you bro.
SFMEDIC:
THE SOURCE IS SOMEONE HE HAS TRUSTED HIS LIFE WITH. HE IS STILL IN THE US GOVT, AND WE WILL NOT DIVULGE HIS IDENTITY. NOW DO NOT QUIT YOUR JOB. DON'T BUY MORE DINAR. DON'T WRITE CHECKS YOU CAN'T COVER. PAY ALL YOUR BILLS UNLESS I CAN SAY CASH IN. WE ARE IN THE SAME SPOT WE WERE IN 30 MINUTES AGO... WAITING, AND I WILL NOT REMOVE BG FROM THIS SITE. HE AND HIS FRIEND ARE DOING THEIR BEST, AS EVERYONE OF US ON THIS SITE. ALL 5,000 OF US.
NOW I HAVE MORE INFO FROM DV THAT SUPPORTS ALL OF THE INFO STATED, BUT THEY WILL NOT ALLOW IT TO BE SHARED OUTSIDE OF DV, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE THEY GOT IT FROM... OF WHO...SO NOW ENJOY EVERYONES COMPANY, AND AT WORST WE WILL BE ABLE TO SPECULATE AND WATCH ALL THE RUMORS THAT FLY OFF THE OTHER SITES NOW.
HEY GANG. SORRY A LOT OF STUFF POSSIBLY GOING ON. I HAD LANACHY CONTACT AS I SAID THE VP AT CB (CitiBank) IN NY, AND THE INTERBANK RATE WILL NOT BE POSTED UNTIL 3AM EST "IF" THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE IN THE RATE AT ALL. THAT IS 3AM EST SUNDAY. NOW 10 MINUTES AFTER I POSTED ON HERE THAT WE WERE TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THE RUMOR WAS TRUE. "EXTREME'S" SITE WAS POSTING THEY HAD 5 CONFIRMS IN THE UK OF THE RATE BEING THERE, AND IT WAS COMING ON MONDAY. THEN KTF REPORTS THEY HAVE 5 CONFIRMATIONS FROM THE UK ALSO FROM THEIR SOURCES BUT ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN EXTREME'S. NOW I CAN TELL YOU THIS EXTREME IS NOT ONE TO LIE. IF HE TRULY IS THE ONE WHO CLAIMS THE SOURCES, I WOULD PROBABLY BELIEVE HIM.
BUT ALL THIS IS JUST TOO CONVENIENT. SO RIGHT NOW I PERSONALLY DO NOT HAVE ONE CONFIRMATION FROM A BANK, AND IF THE CORPORATE VP CAN'T SEE IT YET, THEN NOBODY ELSE CAN EITHER. WHAT HAS THIS WORLD COME TO? DOES NOT THE TRUTH MATTER ANY MORE TO ANYONE? I WILL NOT POST SOMETHING THAT IS NOT TRUE UNTIL I CAN SAY CASH IN, WHICH I CAN'T. THERE IS NOTHING VERIFIED AND THE EARLIEST I CAN IS 3AM EST, AND I WAS TOLD THAT ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON TO LOOK AT 5PM EST FOR THE RATE TO APPEAR, IF IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. NOW AS OF TODAY THE U.S. AND IRAQ WERE NEGOTIATING A TIME LINE.
bgpatton2: \
med, if i can mention something... when i told you about the call i took, the first thing out of his mouth was i hope your sitting down. This was around 6:15 pm central. He said he just got off the phone and was told that the RV is done, that by 5 pm central Sunday we will see the rate. My heart started beating pretty hard. I said are you sure?
He said this is confirmed. No more waiting. No more delays. It's done! I said sounds great to me, so i am sticking my neck out again i guess. If this is wrong, take me off the site, lol!... just the messenger here. Sorry, fingers shaking... back to you bro.
SFMEDIC:
THE SOURCE IS SOMEONE HE HAS TRUSTED HIS LIFE WITH. HE IS STILL IN THE US GOVT, AND WE WILL NOT DIVULGE HIS IDENTITY. NOW DO NOT QUIT YOUR JOB. DON'T BUY MORE DINAR. DON'T WRITE CHECKS YOU CAN'T COVER. PAY ALL YOUR BILLS UNLESS I CAN SAY CASH IN. WE ARE IN THE SAME SPOT WE WERE IN 30 MINUTES AGO... WAITING, AND I WILL NOT REMOVE BG FROM THIS SITE. HE AND HIS FRIEND ARE DOING THEIR BEST, AS EVERYONE OF US ON THIS SITE. ALL 5,000 OF US.
NOW I HAVE MORE INFO FROM DV THAT SUPPORTS ALL OF THE INFO STATED, BUT THEY WILL NOT ALLOW IT TO BE SHARED OUTSIDE OF DV, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE THEY GOT IT FROM... OF WHO...SO NOW ENJOY EVERYONES COMPANY, AND AT WORST WE WILL BE ABLE TO SPECULATE AND WATCH ALL THE RUMORS THAT FLY OFF THE OTHER SITES NOW.
PHOENIX CHAT - Gold Rush
[10:40] Phoenix3333: well I have noticed that all of the othe GCC nations are missing current rates
[10:40] Phoenix3333: Kuwait included
[10:40] Phoenix3333: http://www.un.org/Depts/treasury/
[10:42] spannster: probably means things are happening.
[10:42] Phoenix3333: Yes I think so
[10:42] Phoenix3333: now some are not showing for the past few months but Kuwait is missing just for Dec
[10:43] Phoenix3333: so it does look like we have one more odd thing going on
[10:45] reddog: phx do you know what time tomorrow forex shows the rates ?
[10:47] Soready: 3 more days
[10:48] Phoenix3333: the Forex opens Sunday afternoon at 6 pm est
[10:52] Phoenix3333: me...I want to enjoy our soon to be had new wealth
[10:40] Phoenix3333: Kuwait included
[10:40] Phoenix3333: http://www.un.org/Depts/treasury/
[10:42] spannster: probably means things are happening.
[10:42] Phoenix3333: Yes I think so
[10:42] Phoenix3333: now some are not showing for the past few months but Kuwait is missing just for Dec
[10:43] Phoenix3333: so it does look like we have one more odd thing going on
[10:45] reddog: phx do you know what time tomorrow forex shows the rates ?
[10:47] Soready: 3 more days
[10:48] Phoenix3333: the Forex opens Sunday afternoon at 6 pm est
[10:52] Phoenix3333: me...I want to enjoy our soon to be had new wealth
PHOENIX / LAKEHOUSE CHAT - Gold Rush
[20:07] lakehouse: happy new year!!
[20:08] lakehouse: I'm hoping it will be the best new year ...
[20:08] lakehouse: come on Maliki
[20:08] lakehouse: say the word
[20:08] CASHINN 2010: Right Freakin Now!!!!
[20:09] lakehouse: really!
[20:09] lakehouse: gettin old and tired here
[20:09] Lr4bama: Has there much discussion on the CBI announcement posted yesterday? It has me confused.
[20:09] lakehouse: i heard that was made up?
[20:09] lakehouse: and made to look real
[20:09] lakehouse: weirdness everywhere
[20:10] Lr4bama: someone from a forum? who could do that?
[20:10] lakehouse: anyway even if it was true it wasn't that bad.
[20:10] lakehouse: it said they would remove higher denominations which they will
[20:11] Lr4bama: it also said remove zeros, what exactly would that mean?
[20:11] lakehouse: if someone was trying to get people pissed off, it didn't work
[20:12] lakehouse: the higher notes with 3 0s = 1,000, 5,000,10,000 and 25,000
[20:12] lakehouse: they will remove those from circulation
[20:12] K8GJGB: hey lake when this is over gonna mail you a few pounds of pelled crwfish so you can bake Phx a crawfishpie
[20:12] lakehouse: not a lop
[20:12] lakehouse: yummy can't wait thanks
[20:13] homie: lakehouse, was that announcement actually from the cbi press?? do you know?
[20:13] Lr4bama: oh, I would never say the "lop" word in here, been in this too long to know that is not a possibility
[20:13] lakehouse: i will serve that with chinese beer
[20:13] K8GJGB: I will make sure they are even deveined
[20:13] Soready: Good Evening Lake
20:14] K8GJGB: gotta ask what does lop stand for
[20:14] lakehouse: hey soready how are you? feeling big? feeling fat? just think in a few days you will be back to normal and gorgeous
[20:14] lakehouse: i'm sure you are now too
[20:14] TRUTH: Evening Lake ~ Happy New Year "again" lol
[20:14] lakehouse: hi truth...same to you
[20:17] K8GJGB: pencer was on earlier and wanted Phx opion on the ISX changing its opening day from this Sunday to Monday what are your thoughts
20:18] lakehouse: i think that is telling (i think that about everything) but why on a monday?
[20:18] lakehouse: they always start on sunday
[20:18] lakehouse: soooo
[20:18] lakehouse: maybe something , maybe nothing
[20:18] Lr4bama: was there an article stating that about the ISX?
[20:18] lakehouse: yes
[20:18] lakehouse: i will get it for ya if you want
[20:18] Lr4bama: ty
[20:19] lakehouse: brb
20:22] lakehouse: here it is, couldn't find it http:// articles ofintere st-kelle y.blogsp ot.com/2 009/12/s uspensio n-of-tra ding-in- stock-ma rket.htm l
[20:22] Lr4bama: thanks, lake!
[20:22] lakehouse: yw
[20:28] Phoenix3333: has joined the room
[20:28] Phoenix3333: Hi all
[20:29] Phoenix3333: how is everyone?
[20:29] lakehouse: howdy
[20:29] homie: hello Phx
[20:29] Phoenix3333: howdy
[20:29] TRUTH: Good Evening Phoenix
[20:29] Soready1: I keep getting booted...HAHA
[20:29] Phoenix3333:
[20:29] CASHINN 2010: Locked and Cocked and ready to ROCK ROCK ROCK
20:29] Phoenix3333: rock rock rock
[20:29] Soready1: Hello Phx
[20:29] Phoenix3333: did not see any new news
[20:30] Phoenix3333: just did a quick scan before coming on
[20:30] lakehouse: i don't think we will until the 11th hour
[20:30] lakehouse: or when forex opens
[20:31] Phoenix3333: agree Lake
[20:31] CASHINN 2010: SOLD
[20:31] lakehouse: one article stated that parliament would be in session saturday to vote on budget and another one said sunday
[20:32] Phoenix3333: yes right before they need to
[20:32] lakehouse: i think the budget must be done before we see iraq do anything
[20:32] Phoenix3333: interesting
[20:32] lakehouse: we might see asia go first
[20:32] Phoenix3333: new out of Iraq is so screwy
20:32] Phoenix3333: you never know what is up and what is down
20:32] Phoenix3333: news
[20:32] lakehouse: true
[20:33] CASHINN 2010: Everything with a grain of salt until we see the rate
[20:33] CASHINN 2010: imho
[20:33] lakehouse: especially when people go to the trouble of making it up lol
[20:33] lakehouse: agree cash
[20:33] Phoenix3333: add the translation problems to the intentional disinformation and it makes for some strange reading at times
[20:33] Doublebottoms: Is there a number of asian currencies set to rv as well?
[20:34] Phoenix3333: yes
[20:34] lakehouse: yes
[20:34] Phoenix3333: just check all o0f the regionals and they check the rates withion those regions
[20:34] Doublebottoms: good. 4 5 or 6 cents on the VND would also be appreciated
[20:34] lakehouse: i wouldn't be surprised to see china and southeast asian countries go by monday...that's an opinion
[20:34] Phoenix3333: sure would
[20:34] lakehouse: don't shoot
[20:35] Phoenix3333: bang bang
[20:35] Phoenix3333:
[20:35] Phoenix3333: I would not be surprised either
[20:35] Boom: So Lake you don't think Iraq will go till after asia?
[20:36] lakehouse: boom, i think it would benefit all for everyone to go at one time
20:37] Phoenix3333: wow
[20:38] Serenity lurking: Phoenix and Lake....Would you two bring that RV already....You guys are really trying my patience
[20:38] lakehouse: sorry serenity
[20:38] lakehouse: i'm trying
[20:40] lakehouse: boom, if you're still there i think the asian countries will go because they are ready for currency swaps as of January 2010.
[20:41] lakehouse: and it seems logical that they would do it by the first banking day of the new year
[20:41] lakehouse: for accounting purposes
20:41] Serenity lurking: Lakehouse, have you seen anything logical about this investment, as of yet?
[20:42] Serenity lurking: Because if you have, I sure as heck missed it lol
[20:42] skylar: what about the Dong?
[20:42] lakehouse: lol, i try hard to but iraq makes it difficult
[20:42] Boom: Thanks Lake
[20:42] lakehouse: the dong will go with all of the other southeast asian countries
[20:42] Serenity lurking: I feel for you, Lake
[20:42] lakehouse: they started free trade today
[20:43] skylar: thanks!!!
[20:43] lakehouse: so it would make sense for them to be on par with the new FTA
[20:43] TRUTH: Hey if I could cash in my V Dong I could finish out this ride with a lot more ease !!
[20:44] Phoenix3333: agree TS
[20:44] lakehouse: but, again, that's logic and logic goes out the window sometimes
[20:44] lakehouse: me too truth
[20:44] lakehouse: so if iraq doesn't go we have backup with vietnam
[20:44] skylar: Have you heard what the Dong may revalue at?
[20:44] Serenity lurking: Logic!!!!!!!!!!! What's that??????
[20:44] lakehouse: i really hope we see this happen soon
[20:45] lakehouse: sky no
[20:45] lakehouse: haven't heard
[20:45] skylar: ok
[20:45] lakehouse: but i'd guess around sdr rate
[20:45] skylar: thanks lake
[20:45] lakehouse: ?
[20:45] Boom: Since there's been so much speculation with VND theres a real potential for double dipping if Iraq doesn't RV soon after
[20:46] lakehouse: We could actually see a new basket with the yuan being added
20:47] Phoenix3333: so we are one decade down in the 21st century
[20:47] Serenity lurking: YEP
[20:48] lakehouse: http:// articles ofintere st-kelle y.blogsp ot.com/2 009/11/y uan-curr ency-swa p-and-ch ina-asea n-free.h tml
[20:48] lakehouse: that's worth reading
20:49] Doublebottoms: Phoenix, that peswiki video was a real eye opener to the world of free energy machines
[20:49] lakehouse: http:// articles ofintere st-kelle y.blogsp ot.com/2 009/11/o verinter preting- currency -swap.ht ml
20:49] lakehouse: that's a good one
[20:49] lakehouse: reading to put you to sleep
20:50] Phoenix3333: yes DB
[20:51] Phoenix3333: we are on the verge of major changes
[20:51] Phoenix3333: Lake that is some great stuff
[20:51] lakehouse: thanks did you read it?
[20:52] Serenity lurking: Lake, your blogs are great....Too bad the Iraqi Parliament doesn't read them lol
[20:52] lakehouse: it feels like sunday
[20:53] lakehouse: serenity? maliki e-mails them to me
[20:53] lakehouse: we talk for hours
[20:53] lakehouse: lol ya know i'm kidding
20:54] lakehouse: some people really do think that maliki reads their stuff...right
[20:54] Serenity lurking: Aha, Lake....Now we know the truth lol
[20:55] Mr.Hood: Phx, were you able to find the file?
[20:55] Phoenix3333: not yet
[20:55] Mr.Hood: ok
[20:56] Phoenix3333: Lake do we have the PDF from the IMF on all of the planned currency chnages?
[20:56] Doublebottoms: Lakehouse, where would you imagine Austrailia and New Zealand might end up as part of a larger trading block? If any
[20:56] Phoenix3333: the one that has all of the regionals and then the plan to go global?
20:57] Phoenix3333: Do I have that in the hard file box or is that on your flash drives?
[20:57] lakehouse: australia, not sure. I will have to investigate and report back. New Zealand maybe, australia? not sure
[20:58] Doublebottoms: I would think they would go in tandem
[20:58] lakehouse: i think we will see Latin America, GCC, Bric ... and Asia
[20:58] lakehouse: south america has adopted the sucre
[20:59] lakehouse: as of jan 1st today
21:16] lakehouse: so, it's friday night
[21:16] Serenity lurking: Yes, it is
[21:16] lakehouse: we have 2 more days
[21:16] Serenity lurking: we do
[21:16] lakehouse: and maybe we'll here good news
21:16] lakehouse: sunday when the forex opens
[21:16] Serenity lurking: yes, maybe
[21:17] markeb77: opportune time
[21:17] CASHINN 2010: Im in
[21:17] lakehouse: true
[21:17] Phoenix3333: I bet we do see some wild good stuff this weekend
[21:17] landinar: RV
[21:17] lakehouse: not sure if i can make it much longer.
[21:17] Phoenix3333: i bet by Sunday the cat may be out of the bag
[21:18] Phoenix3333: meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[21:18] Serenity lurking: I sure understand, Lakehouse
[21:18] rand: Continue...
[21:19] lakehouse: I guess we'll know soon enough
[21:19] CASHINN 2010: NOW NOW NOW
[21:19] lakehouse: what?
[21:19] Serenity lurking: I love and appreciate you all.......Till tomorrow
[21:19] warrior44: I hope good news will flow this weekend
[21:20] lakehouse: me too
[21:20] CASHINN 2010: RFN RFN RFN
[21:20] markeb77: perhaps we should have bought all the other currencies in the ME? to hedge
[21:20] lakehouse: maybe
[21:20] lakehouse: but the payoff won't be as huge
[21:20] Phoenix3333: they are not going to show as mush upward movement
[21:20] Phoenix3333: much
[21:20] markeb77: true
[21:20] Phoenix3333: % wise
[21:20] lakehouse: as iraq
[21:20] Phoenix3333: correct
[21:21] lakehouse: hi sophia
[21:21] lakehouse: and bama is back in the house
[21:21] markeb77: is there another that is close in your opinion?
[21:21] Phoenix3333: I like the looks of the Russian ruble
[21:21] Lr4bama: Roll Tide!
[21:22] lakehouse: http:// articles ofintere st-kelle y.blogsp ot.com/2 009/12/r ussia-to -limit-i nflows-o f-specul ative.ht ml
[21:22] lakehouse: russia maybe
[21:23] lakehouse: it looks like every country is preparing for something
[21:23] CASHINN 2010: Me too Lake. I am preparing too
[21:23] Phoenix3333: yes
[21:23] lakehouse: Speaking to reporters during a visit to the port city of Vladivostok, Putin added the departure from a controlled exchange rate regime would be "mild
[21:23] Lr4bama: Phoenix, Lake said that it appears that the announcement
[21:24] Lr4bama: anyhoo, the announcement from the CBI may have been falsified, who would do that?
[21:25] lakehouse: don't know bama
[21:26] markeb77: I think some people enjoy infoTerorism or infoHacking, just to make someone miserable
[21:26] markeb77: just like a computer hacker
[21:26] lakehouse: yep
[21:27] Sophia: Great. Now we just need that RI or RV and we'll all be a lot better.
[21:27] lakehouse: hackers, have to be careful. There are some weird ones out there for sure
[21:32] warrior44: B o A Kuwait Dinar (KWD): 3.8772
[21:32] lakehouse: oh that makes sense
[21:32] lakehouse: warrior
[21:33] lakehouse: now
[21:33] Phoenix3333: nice warrior
[21:33] lakehouse: 3.87 where
[21:33] Phoenix3333: let me check WF
21:33] warrior44: wells fargo Rate 1 dinar (KWD) = 3.9024 U.S. dollar (USD)
[21:33] Raiderman 86: does it keep going up?
[21:34] lakehouse: wow, is it accurate? i thought someone said it wasn't real... is it? or isn't it? that's the question
[21:34] Phoenix3333: WF Kuwait dinar (KWD) 3.9024
[21:34] warrior44: Lake B o A
[21:34] lakehouse: what about other fx sites
[21:34] lakehouse: oh bOA. hmmm that sounds good
[21:35] Phoenix3333: only Wells Fargo and BoA show the higher GCC rates
[21:35] warrior44: They are the only two I checked
[21:36] Raiderman 86: so Phoenix, what does that seem to mean that they are raising currency rates for the GCC countries?
[21:37] Phoenix3333: Ok IF you had 1 million KWD..........3.90 - 3.50= .40
.40 x 1,000,000 = 400,000 KWD (not KUD) equivalent to $1,393,190 USD profit in that one move
[21:37] lakehouse: it seems odd that kuwait would adjust higher
[21:38] Phoenix3333: Not just Kuwait but all of the GCC currencies
[21:38] lakehouse: bbl...
[21:38] CASHINN 2010: Are they all pegged to the USD?
[21:38] lakehouse: has left the room
[21:38] markeb77: so how can Iraq stay out of this move?
[21:38] markeb77: something has to happen
[21:38] warrior44: I agree
[21:38] Phoenix3333: Kuwait Bahrain UAE SA Qatar Oman and Jordan are all up
[21:39] Phoenix3333: as is Turkey Israel and Egypt
[21:39] warrior44: Come on Iraq get on board
[21:39] Raiderman 86: i see what it does when it goes up and i think i understand that part but why now, do you think
[21:40] markeb77: I heard that a one world monetary system would not move at once
21:41] Phoenix3333: we will see this happen
[21:41] markeb77: it would be first in blocks of nations, then put together in the end
[21:41] Phoenix3333: this weekend i hope
[21:41] Phoenix3333: by sunday
[21:42] Phoenix3333: or maybe even tomorrow
[21:42] Phoenix3333: correct markeb77 that is the plan and that is what started today
[21:42] warrior44: Just like a champaign bottle "POP"
[21:42] Phoenix3333: with the GCC the ASEAN and the BRIC
[21:42] markeb77: the "body" before the "head"
[21:43] Phoenix3333: correct we have he whole plan from the IMF
21:43] markeb77: that is why Iraq has to move with the rest
[21:43] Phoenix3333: and we are seeing the regionals starting today
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[21:43] Raiderman 86: do you think that they are re balancing for the big dance then
[21:43] Phoenix3333: yes Iraq will be part of the GCC block
[21:44] markeb77: I don't like it, but that is what appears to be happening
21:44] Phoenix3333: the EU is has 27 members at this time but is called the EU 50
[21:44] Phoenix3333: because the have plans in the near future to expand to 50
[21:44] ronron: did we have any new increace's in currency today?
[21:45] Phoenix3333: go with the flow
[21:45] Phoenix3333: this is the natural progression for the world
[21:45] Doublebottoms: the new melting pot?
21:45] Phoenix3333: this planet is our home and we all live here together like it or not
[21:45] Doublebottoms: I pray for smooth transitioning
[21:45] Phoenix3333: and we will all either work together or separate and die together
[21:46] Phoenix3333: my vote goes for peace
[21:46] Phoenix3333: the greatest victory is the one won without a battle
[21:47] Phoenix3333: it will be smooth
[21:47] Phoenix3333: but just know the ultimate goal is a global cashless system
[21:47] Phoenix3333: so do not freak out
[21:48] markeb77: the problem is "greed" it pollutes even the best intentions
[21:48] Doublebottoms: wish we had a time frame on that
[21:48] warrior44: I'll use my debit card
[21:48] Phoenix3333: or if you cannot open your mind to accept growth and change
[21:48] markeb77: someone is going to own it all, a group of people that might not have the best intentions.
[21:48] Phoenix3333: the find some other chat and plan for doom
[21:48] Phoenix3333: lol
21:49] Phoenix3333: use all of your profit to build a little fort...raise a little flag that reads "Go away"
[21:50] Raiderman 86: like the postman
[21:50] Phoenix3333: Or accept change plan for new systems of growth and energy production invest in the future of mankind and have fun
[21:51] Phoenix3333: or...close out the world in fear and buy 1,000,000 dollars worth of dried food and ammo and hide.
[21:51] Phoenix3333: me....I think i will live free and happy
[21:52] markeb77: or have a better vision than they have? why not?
[21:52] Phoenix3333: well i see all things need balance
[21:53] markeb77: yes, true
[21:53] Phoenix3333: and fear based decisions never work to well and are for the most part seem to be pushed by those with agendas
[21:54] Phoenix3333: so to be balanced and free from fear
[21:54] Phoenix3333: not blnd to the reality but balanced with open eyes and an open mind
[22:00] Phoenix3333:
[[22:04] Phoenix3333: off reading other sites....
[22:04] Phoenix3333: in and out
[22:04] Phoenix3333:
[22:06] TicTocTic: Find anything interesting?
[22:06] guest6363108: No dinar news ?
[22:07] TicTocTic: haven't heard anything from Frank the last day or so
[22:08] TicTocTic: Med is backing off of this weekend and saying Jan or Feb
[22:08] TicTocTic: Adam hasn't said anything for sometime.
[22:10] TicTocTic: Phx is the only one that is optimistic! And has a level head.
[22:15] Phoenix3333: I am sticking to this weekend
[22:15] Phoenix3333: I hope to see this before sunday ends
[22:15] Phoenix3333: I hope
[22:16] Phoenix3333: and if not....we are still a go
[22:16] Phoenix3333: this is happening right now
[22:16] warrior44: I hope so too phx
[22:16] Phoenix3333: but is so darned classified and secret
[22:16] Phoenix3333: info of what is really going down is top top top secret
22:18] rand: Thx Phoenix...
[22:19] Doublebottoms: Yes, as always thanx to the both of you and lake, Phoenix
[22:19] markeb77: I think you are right Phoenix
[22:21] Phoenix3333: yw
[22:21] bulldog23: i am with you phoenix
[22:21] Phoenix3333: Im with me too
[22:21] Phoenix3333:
[22:21] bulldog23:
[22:21] warrior44: Hey Phx I'm so ready for this ride to be over , but we all must be smart and see this all the way through.
[22:22] Phoenix3333: thats right warrior
[22:22] Phoenix3333: true warriors never quit short of victory
[22:22] warrior44: all the way to the bank
[22:23] Phoenix3333: and back home again
[22:23] Phoenix3333: new homes
[22:23] Phoenix3333: new things new goals
[22:23] Phoenix3333: new horizons
[22:23] Phoenix3333: new objectives
[22:23] Phoenix3333: free energy
[22:23] warrior44: no more work and enjoy my time with my family
[22:23] Phoenix3333: alternative health care
[22:23] Phoenix3333: peace
[22:23] Phoenix3333: prosperity
[22:24] Phoenix3333: correct
22:24] warrior44: There's alot of missed out time with working and family time is so little
[22:27] Phoenix3333: yes
[22:27] Phoenix3333: time to reclaim all of that
[22:27] Phoenix3333: I want to study
[22:27] pencer: Is it really possible to have free energy?
[22:27] Phoenix3333: and experiment
[22:27] Phoenix3333: yes pence
[22:27] Phoenix3333: pence go to the energy section of the forum
[22:28] Phoenix3333: that is going to be a big thing for me post RV
[22:28] markeb77: I read about that, very interesting!
[22:28] Phoenix3333: and the radio show ill be very big on this topic
[22:28] pencer: I am on board for that
[22:28] Phoenix3333: and yes...there will be a way to invest in this also
[22:28] pencer: that will be a home run
[22:28] Phoenix3333: but the main goal is to bring this to the world for the use of all at low or no cost
2:29] markeb77: that could make an incredible difference for many
[22:31] markeb77: so many green solutions are good, but expensive right now.
[22:32] Phoenix3333: this will be made affordable
[22:32] Phoenix3333: for all of the earth
[23:29] repo: Now all we need is an RV...
[23:30] Phoenix3333: yes and it is coming
[23:30] Phoenix3333: may show up tomorrow or sunday
[23:30] Phoenix3333: I hope
[23:31] Phoenix3333: but if not...we are that much closer
[23:31] repo: I know. I hope too..
[23:31] Phoenix3333: to the goal
[23:31] repo: Yep, been in it too long to give up now.
[23:34] rand: Phoenix... That's You... HOPE... " Helping Other People Excell"...
[23:34] repo: Yes that is Phoenix..
[23:36] Phoenix3333: HOPE nice
[23:36] Phoenix3333: thats a nice thing to say thanks
[23:36] Phoenix3333: I hope so...lol
[23:36] repo: It fits you Phoenix
[23:36] Phoenix3333: just trying to help
[23:36] repo: Roger that..
[23:37] capt-ron:
[23:37] Phoenix3333: got the boy scout thing going or something........
[23:37] repo: We do what we can when we can..
[23:37] Phoenix3333: and thats a lot
[23:38] 48hotrod: I've said it before, when phx comes on chat, he immediately lifts everyone spirit
23:38] Phoenix3333: well everyone should be lifted
[23:38] Phoenix3333: we are double blessed
[23:38] Phoenix3333: we are about to be blessed with this great investment
23:39] Phoenix3333: and more so we have been blessed with TIME
[23:39] repo: amen
[23:39] Phoenix3333: time to THINK
[23:39] Phoenix3333: time to PLAN
[23:39] Phoenix3333: time to hash through ideas
[23:39] Phoenix3333: time to ask questions read and learn
23:39] Phoenix3333: and that is sucjh a great blessing in itself
[23:40] Phoenix3333: one of the major problems with the Sudden Wealth Syndrome
[23:40] Phoenix3333: is the sudden part
[23:40] Phoenix3333: things happen too fast and people do and say the wrong things and before they know it
[23:40] Phoenix3333: it is all gone
23:41] Phoenix3333: so this TIME this WAIT has been one of the greatest gifts from God to us
[23:41] repo: Gave us time to ponder
[23:42] Phoenix3333: just in the difference of short term to long term Cap gains it is HUGE!
we are talking about a difference of 20%
23:42] Phoenix3333: so on one million dollars that would be a savings of $200,000
[23:42] Phoenix3333: just for waiting over one year
[23:43] repo: I like 20%
23:43] Phoenix3333: yes
[23:43] repo: Do you get a lower % for waiting longer??
[23:43] Phoenix3333: so all the while you have been PAID for waiting
[23:44] Phoenix3333: repo you have 2 rates
[23:44] repo: 2?
23:44] Phoenix3333: one is the short term rate which is under one year and is 35%
[23:45] Phoenix3333: and for waiting OVER one year it drops to 15%
[23:46] repo: Yes , I know about that. Just wishing for a lower % if someone is 4-5-6 years..? you know.
[23:46] Phoenix3333: so one 1 million dollars the Cap gains on short term would be a tax of $350,000 but long term only $150,000
[23:46] Phoenix3333: so that is a SAVINGS of $200,000 per million!
[23:46] Phoenix3333: So you are being PAID to wait
[23:47] repo: You are so correct.
23:56] Phoenix3333: ok it is late and i am going to go read some
[23:56] Phoenix3333: i hope we see something tomorrow!
[23:57] Phoenix3333: see everyone in the am
[23:57] repo: Ty Phoniex
[23:57] Phoenix3333: ...................................................................
[23:57] Phoenix3333: yw
[23:57] Phoenix3333: night all
[23:57] Phoenix3333: has left the room
[20:08] lakehouse: I'm hoping it will be the best new year ...
[20:08] lakehouse: come on Maliki
[20:08] lakehouse: say the word
[20:08] CASHINN 2010: Right Freakin Now!!!!
[20:09] lakehouse: really!
[20:09] lakehouse: gettin old and tired here
[20:09] Lr4bama: Has there much discussion on the CBI announcement posted yesterday? It has me confused.
[20:09] lakehouse: i heard that was made up?
[20:09] lakehouse: and made to look real
[20:09] lakehouse: weirdness everywhere
[20:10] Lr4bama: someone from a forum? who could do that?
[20:10] lakehouse: anyway even if it was true it wasn't that bad.
[20:10] lakehouse: it said they would remove higher denominations which they will
[20:11] Lr4bama: it also said remove zeros, what exactly would that mean?
[20:11] lakehouse: if someone was trying to get people pissed off, it didn't work
[20:12] lakehouse: the higher notes with 3 0s = 1,000, 5,000,10,000 and 25,000
[20:12] lakehouse: they will remove those from circulation
[20:12] K8GJGB: hey lake when this is over gonna mail you a few pounds of pelled crwfish so you can bake Phx a crawfishpie
[20:12] lakehouse: not a lop
[20:12] lakehouse: yummy can't wait thanks
[20:13] homie: lakehouse, was that announcement actually from the cbi press?? do you know?
[20:13] Lr4bama: oh, I would never say the "lop" word in here, been in this too long to know that is not a possibility
[20:13] lakehouse: i will serve that with chinese beer
[20:13] K8GJGB: I will make sure they are even deveined
[20:13] Soready: Good Evening Lake
20:14] K8GJGB: gotta ask what does lop stand for
[20:14] lakehouse: hey soready how are you? feeling big? feeling fat? just think in a few days you will be back to normal and gorgeous
[20:14] lakehouse: i'm sure you are now too
[20:14] TRUTH: Evening Lake ~ Happy New Year "again" lol
[20:14] lakehouse: hi truth...same to you
[20:17] K8GJGB: pencer was on earlier and wanted Phx opion on the ISX changing its opening day from this Sunday to Monday what are your thoughts
20:18] lakehouse: i think that is telling (i think that about everything) but why on a monday?
[20:18] lakehouse: they always start on sunday
[20:18] lakehouse: soooo
[20:18] lakehouse: maybe something , maybe nothing
[20:18] Lr4bama: was there an article stating that about the ISX?
[20:18] lakehouse: yes
[20:18] lakehouse: i will get it for ya if you want
[20:18] Lr4bama: ty
[20:19] lakehouse: brb
20:22] lakehouse: here it is, couldn't find it http:// articles ofintere st-kelle y.blogsp ot.com/2 009/12/s uspensio n-of-tra ding-in- stock-ma rket.htm l
[20:22] Lr4bama: thanks, lake!
[20:22] lakehouse: yw
[20:28] Phoenix3333: has joined the room
[20:28] Phoenix3333: Hi all
[20:29] Phoenix3333: how is everyone?
[20:29] lakehouse: howdy
[20:29] homie: hello Phx
[20:29] Phoenix3333: howdy
[20:29] TRUTH: Good Evening Phoenix
[20:29] Soready1: I keep getting booted...HAHA
[20:29] Phoenix3333:
[20:29] CASHINN 2010: Locked and Cocked and ready to ROCK ROCK ROCK
20:29] Phoenix3333: rock rock rock
[20:29] Soready1: Hello Phx
[20:29] Phoenix3333: did not see any new news
[20:30] Phoenix3333: just did a quick scan before coming on
[20:30] lakehouse: i don't think we will until the 11th hour
[20:30] lakehouse: or when forex opens
[20:31] Phoenix3333: agree Lake
[20:31] CASHINN 2010: SOLD
[20:31] lakehouse: one article stated that parliament would be in session saturday to vote on budget and another one said sunday
[20:32] Phoenix3333: yes right before they need to
[20:32] lakehouse: i think the budget must be done before we see iraq do anything
[20:32] Phoenix3333: interesting
[20:32] lakehouse: we might see asia go first
[20:32] Phoenix3333: new out of Iraq is so screwy
20:32] Phoenix3333: you never know what is up and what is down
20:32] Phoenix3333: news
[20:32] lakehouse: true
[20:33] CASHINN 2010: Everything with a grain of salt until we see the rate
[20:33] CASHINN 2010: imho
[20:33] lakehouse: especially when people go to the trouble of making it up lol
[20:33] lakehouse: agree cash
[20:33] Phoenix3333: add the translation problems to the intentional disinformation and it makes for some strange reading at times
[20:33] Doublebottoms: Is there a number of asian currencies set to rv as well?
[20:34] Phoenix3333: yes
[20:34] lakehouse: yes
[20:34] Phoenix3333: just check all o0f the regionals and they check the rates withion those regions
[20:34] Doublebottoms: good. 4 5 or 6 cents on the VND would also be appreciated
[20:34] lakehouse: i wouldn't be surprised to see china and southeast asian countries go by monday...that's an opinion
[20:34] Phoenix3333: sure would
[20:34] lakehouse: don't shoot
[20:35] Phoenix3333: bang bang
[20:35] Phoenix3333:
[20:35] Phoenix3333: I would not be surprised either
[20:35] Boom: So Lake you don't think Iraq will go till after asia?
[20:36] lakehouse: boom, i think it would benefit all for everyone to go at one time
20:37] Phoenix3333: wow
[20:38] Serenity lurking: Phoenix and Lake....Would you two bring that RV already....You guys are really trying my patience
[20:38] lakehouse: sorry serenity
[20:38] lakehouse: i'm trying
[20:40] lakehouse: boom, if you're still there i think the asian countries will go because they are ready for currency swaps as of January 2010.
[20:41] lakehouse: and it seems logical that they would do it by the first banking day of the new year
[20:41] lakehouse: for accounting purposes
20:41] Serenity lurking: Lakehouse, have you seen anything logical about this investment, as of yet?
[20:42] Serenity lurking: Because if you have, I sure as heck missed it lol
[20:42] skylar: what about the Dong?
[20:42] lakehouse: lol, i try hard to but iraq makes it difficult
[20:42] Boom: Thanks Lake
[20:42] lakehouse: the dong will go with all of the other southeast asian countries
[20:42] Serenity lurking: I feel for you, Lake
[20:42] lakehouse: they started free trade today
[20:43] skylar: thanks!!!
[20:43] lakehouse: so it would make sense for them to be on par with the new FTA
[20:43] TRUTH: Hey if I could cash in my V Dong I could finish out this ride with a lot more ease !!
[20:44] Phoenix3333: agree TS
[20:44] lakehouse: but, again, that's logic and logic goes out the window sometimes
[20:44] lakehouse: me too truth
[20:44] lakehouse: so if iraq doesn't go we have backup with vietnam
[20:44] skylar: Have you heard what the Dong may revalue at?
[20:44] Serenity lurking: Logic!!!!!!!!!!! What's that??????
[20:44] lakehouse: i really hope we see this happen soon
[20:45] lakehouse: sky no
[20:45] lakehouse: haven't heard
[20:45] skylar: ok
[20:45] lakehouse: but i'd guess around sdr rate
[20:45] skylar: thanks lake
[20:45] lakehouse: ?
[20:45] Boom: Since there's been so much speculation with VND theres a real potential for double dipping if Iraq doesn't RV soon after
[20:46] lakehouse: We could actually see a new basket with the yuan being added
20:47] Phoenix3333: so we are one decade down in the 21st century
[20:47] Serenity lurking: YEP
[20:48] lakehouse: http:// articles ofintere st-kelle y.blogsp ot.com/2 009/11/y uan-curr ency-swa p-and-ch ina-asea n-free.h tml
[20:48] lakehouse: that's worth reading
20:49] Doublebottoms: Phoenix, that peswiki video was a real eye opener to the world of free energy machines
[20:49] lakehouse: http:// articles ofintere st-kelle y.blogsp ot.com/2 009/11/o verinter preting- currency -swap.ht ml
20:49] lakehouse: that's a good one
[20:49] lakehouse: reading to put you to sleep
20:50] Phoenix3333: yes DB
[20:51] Phoenix3333: we are on the verge of major changes
[20:51] Phoenix3333: Lake that is some great stuff
[20:51] lakehouse: thanks did you read it?
[20:52] Serenity lurking: Lake, your blogs are great....Too bad the Iraqi Parliament doesn't read them lol
[20:52] lakehouse: it feels like sunday
[20:53] lakehouse: serenity? maliki e-mails them to me
[20:53] lakehouse: we talk for hours
[20:53] lakehouse: lol ya know i'm kidding
20:54] lakehouse: some people really do think that maliki reads their stuff...right
[20:54] Serenity lurking: Aha, Lake....Now we know the truth lol
[20:55] Mr.Hood: Phx, were you able to find the file?
[20:55] Phoenix3333: not yet
[20:55] Mr.Hood: ok
[20:56] Phoenix3333: Lake do we have the PDF from the IMF on all of the planned currency chnages?
[20:56] Doublebottoms: Lakehouse, where would you imagine Austrailia and New Zealand might end up as part of a larger trading block? If any
[20:56] Phoenix3333: the one that has all of the regionals and then the plan to go global?
20:57] Phoenix3333: Do I have that in the hard file box or is that on your flash drives?
[20:57] lakehouse: australia, not sure. I will have to investigate and report back. New Zealand maybe, australia? not sure
[20:58] Doublebottoms: I would think they would go in tandem
[20:58] lakehouse: i think we will see Latin America, GCC, Bric ... and Asia
[20:58] lakehouse: south america has adopted the sucre
[20:59] lakehouse: as of jan 1st today
21:16] lakehouse: so, it's friday night
[21:16] Serenity lurking: Yes, it is
[21:16] lakehouse: we have 2 more days
[21:16] Serenity lurking: we do
[21:16] lakehouse: and maybe we'll here good news
21:16] lakehouse: sunday when the forex opens
[21:16] Serenity lurking: yes, maybe
[21:17] markeb77: opportune time
[21:17] CASHINN 2010: Im in
[21:17] lakehouse: true
[21:17] Phoenix3333: I bet we do see some wild good stuff this weekend
[21:17] landinar: RV
[21:17] lakehouse: not sure if i can make it much longer.
[21:17] Phoenix3333: i bet by Sunday the cat may be out of the bag
[21:18] Phoenix3333: meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[21:18] Serenity lurking: I sure understand, Lakehouse
[21:18] rand: Continue...
[21:19] lakehouse: I guess we'll know soon enough
[21:19] CASHINN 2010: NOW NOW NOW
[21:19] lakehouse: what?
[21:19] Serenity lurking: I love and appreciate you all.......Till tomorrow
[21:19] warrior44: I hope good news will flow this weekend
[21:20] lakehouse: me too
[21:20] CASHINN 2010: RFN RFN RFN
[21:20] markeb77: perhaps we should have bought all the other currencies in the ME? to hedge
[21:20] lakehouse: maybe
[21:20] lakehouse: but the payoff won't be as huge
[21:20] Phoenix3333: they are not going to show as mush upward movement
[21:20] Phoenix3333: much
[21:20] markeb77: true
[21:20] Phoenix3333: % wise
[21:20] lakehouse: as iraq
[21:20] Phoenix3333: correct
[21:21] lakehouse: hi sophia
[21:21] lakehouse: and bama is back in the house
[21:21] markeb77: is there another that is close in your opinion?
[21:21] Phoenix3333: I like the looks of the Russian ruble
[21:21] Lr4bama: Roll Tide!
[21:22] lakehouse: http:// articles ofintere st-kelle y.blogsp ot.com/2 009/12/r ussia-to -limit-i nflows-o f-specul ative.ht ml
[21:22] lakehouse: russia maybe
[21:23] lakehouse: it looks like every country is preparing for something
[21:23] CASHINN 2010: Me too Lake. I am preparing too
[21:23] Phoenix3333: yes
[21:23] lakehouse: Speaking to reporters during a visit to the port city of Vladivostok, Putin added the departure from a controlled exchange rate regime would be "mild
[21:23] Lr4bama: Phoenix, Lake said that it appears that the announcement
[21:24] Lr4bama: anyhoo, the announcement from the CBI may have been falsified, who would do that?
[21:25] lakehouse: don't know bama
[21:26] markeb77: I think some people enjoy infoTerorism or infoHacking, just to make someone miserable
[21:26] markeb77: just like a computer hacker
[21:26] lakehouse: yep
[21:27] Sophia: Great. Now we just need that RI or RV and we'll all be a lot better.
[21:27] lakehouse: hackers, have to be careful. There are some weird ones out there for sure
[21:32] warrior44: B o A Kuwait Dinar (KWD): 3.8772
[21:32] lakehouse: oh that makes sense
[21:32] lakehouse: warrior
[21:33] lakehouse: now
[21:33] Phoenix3333: nice warrior
[21:33] lakehouse: 3.87 where
[21:33] Phoenix3333: let me check WF
21:33] warrior44: wells fargo Rate 1 dinar (KWD) = 3.9024 U.S. dollar (USD)
[21:33] Raiderman 86: does it keep going up?
[21:34] lakehouse: wow, is it accurate? i thought someone said it wasn't real... is it? or isn't it? that's the question
[21:34] Phoenix3333: WF Kuwait dinar (KWD) 3.9024
[21:34] warrior44: Lake B o A
[21:34] lakehouse: what about other fx sites
[21:34] lakehouse: oh bOA. hmmm that sounds good
[21:35] Phoenix3333: only Wells Fargo and BoA show the higher GCC rates
[21:35] warrior44: They are the only two I checked
[21:36] Raiderman 86: so Phoenix, what does that seem to mean that they are raising currency rates for the GCC countries?
[21:37] Phoenix3333: Ok IF you had 1 million KWD..........3.90 - 3.50= .40
.40 x 1,000,000 = 400,000 KWD (not KUD) equivalent to $1,393,190 USD profit in that one move
[21:37] lakehouse: it seems odd that kuwait would adjust higher
[21:38] Phoenix3333: Not just Kuwait but all of the GCC currencies
[21:38] lakehouse: bbl...
[21:38] CASHINN 2010: Are they all pegged to the USD?
[21:38] lakehouse: has left the room
[21:38] markeb77: so how can Iraq stay out of this move?
[21:38] markeb77: something has to happen
[21:38] warrior44: I agree
[21:38] Phoenix3333: Kuwait Bahrain UAE SA Qatar Oman and Jordan are all up
[21:39] Phoenix3333: as is Turkey Israel and Egypt
[21:39] warrior44: Come on Iraq get on board
[21:39] Raiderman 86: i see what it does when it goes up and i think i understand that part but why now, do you think
[21:40] markeb77: I heard that a one world monetary system would not move at once
21:41] Phoenix3333: we will see this happen
[21:41] markeb77: it would be first in blocks of nations, then put together in the end
[21:41] Phoenix3333: this weekend i hope
[21:41] Phoenix3333: by sunday
[21:42] Phoenix3333: or maybe even tomorrow
[21:42] Phoenix3333: correct markeb77 that is the plan and that is what started today
[21:42] warrior44: Just like a champaign bottle "POP"
[21:42] Phoenix3333: with the GCC the ASEAN and the BRIC
[21:42] markeb77: the "body" before the "head"
[21:43] Phoenix3333: correct we have he whole plan from the IMF
21:43] markeb77: that is why Iraq has to move with the rest
[21:43] Phoenix3333: and we are seeing the regionals starting today
.
[21:43] Raiderman 86: do you think that they are re balancing for the big dance then
[21:43] Phoenix3333: yes Iraq will be part of the GCC block
[21:44] markeb77: I don't like it, but that is what appears to be happening
21:44] Phoenix3333: the EU is has 27 members at this time but is called the EU 50
[21:44] Phoenix3333: because the have plans in the near future to expand to 50
[21:44] ronron: did we have any new increace's in currency today?
[21:45] Phoenix3333: go with the flow
[21:45] Phoenix3333: this is the natural progression for the world
[21:45] Doublebottoms: the new melting pot?
21:45] Phoenix3333: this planet is our home and we all live here together like it or not
[21:45] Doublebottoms: I pray for smooth transitioning
[21:45] Phoenix3333: and we will all either work together or separate and die together
[21:46] Phoenix3333: my vote goes for peace
[21:46] Phoenix3333: the greatest victory is the one won without a battle
[21:47] Phoenix3333: it will be smooth
[21:47] Phoenix3333: but just know the ultimate goal is a global cashless system
[21:47] Phoenix3333: so do not freak out
[21:48] markeb77: the problem is "greed" it pollutes even the best intentions
[21:48] Doublebottoms: wish we had a time frame on that
[21:48] warrior44: I'll use my debit card
[21:48] Phoenix3333: or if you cannot open your mind to accept growth and change
[21:48] markeb77: someone is going to own it all, a group of people that might not have the best intentions.
[21:48] Phoenix3333: the find some other chat and plan for doom
[21:48] Phoenix3333: lol
21:49] Phoenix3333: use all of your profit to build a little fort...raise a little flag that reads "Go away"
[21:50] Raiderman 86: like the postman
[21:50] Phoenix3333: Or accept change plan for new systems of growth and energy production invest in the future of mankind and have fun
[21:51] Phoenix3333: or...close out the world in fear and buy 1,000,000 dollars worth of dried food and ammo and hide.
[21:51] Phoenix3333: me....I think i will live free and happy
[21:52] markeb77: or have a better vision than they have? why not?
[21:52] Phoenix3333: well i see all things need balance
[21:53] markeb77: yes, true
[21:53] Phoenix3333: and fear based decisions never work to well and are for the most part seem to be pushed by those with agendas
[21:54] Phoenix3333: so to be balanced and free from fear
[21:54] Phoenix3333: not blnd to the reality but balanced with open eyes and an open mind
[22:00] Phoenix3333:
[[22:04] Phoenix3333: off reading other sites....
[22:04] Phoenix3333: in and out
[22:04] Phoenix3333:
[22:06] TicTocTic: Find anything interesting?
[22:06] guest6363108: No dinar news ?
[22:07] TicTocTic: haven't heard anything from Frank the last day or so
[22:08] TicTocTic: Med is backing off of this weekend and saying Jan or Feb
[22:08] TicTocTic: Adam hasn't said anything for sometime.
[22:10] TicTocTic: Phx is the only one that is optimistic! And has a level head.
[22:15] Phoenix3333: I am sticking to this weekend
[22:15] Phoenix3333: I hope to see this before sunday ends
[22:15] Phoenix3333: I hope
[22:16] Phoenix3333: and if not....we are still a go
[22:16] Phoenix3333: this is happening right now
[22:16] warrior44: I hope so too phx
[22:16] Phoenix3333: but is so darned classified and secret
[22:16] Phoenix3333: info of what is really going down is top top top secret
22:18] rand: Thx Phoenix...
[22:19] Doublebottoms: Yes, as always thanx to the both of you and lake, Phoenix
[22:19] markeb77: I think you are right Phoenix
[22:21] Phoenix3333: yw
[22:21] bulldog23: i am with you phoenix
[22:21] Phoenix3333: Im with me too
[22:21] Phoenix3333:
[22:21] bulldog23:
[22:21] warrior44: Hey Phx I'm so ready for this ride to be over , but we all must be smart and see this all the way through.
[22:22] Phoenix3333: thats right warrior
[22:22] Phoenix3333: true warriors never quit short of victory
[22:22] warrior44: all the way to the bank
[22:23] Phoenix3333: and back home again
[22:23] Phoenix3333: new homes
[22:23] Phoenix3333: new things new goals
[22:23] Phoenix3333: new horizons
[22:23] Phoenix3333: new objectives
[22:23] Phoenix3333: free energy
[22:23] warrior44: no more work and enjoy my time with my family
[22:23] Phoenix3333: alternative health care
[22:23] Phoenix3333: peace
[22:23] Phoenix3333: prosperity
[22:24] Phoenix3333: correct
22:24] warrior44: There's alot of missed out time with working and family time is so little
[22:27] Phoenix3333: yes
[22:27] Phoenix3333: time to reclaim all of that
[22:27] Phoenix3333: I want to study
[22:27] pencer: Is it really possible to have free energy?
[22:27] Phoenix3333: and experiment
[22:27] Phoenix3333: yes pence
[22:27] Phoenix3333: pence go to the energy section of the forum
[22:28] Phoenix3333: that is going to be a big thing for me post RV
[22:28] markeb77: I read about that, very interesting!
[22:28] Phoenix3333: and the radio show ill be very big on this topic
[22:28] pencer: I am on board for that
[22:28] Phoenix3333: and yes...there will be a way to invest in this also
[22:28] pencer: that will be a home run
[22:28] Phoenix3333: but the main goal is to bring this to the world for the use of all at low or no cost
2:29] markeb77: that could make an incredible difference for many
[22:31] markeb77: so many green solutions are good, but expensive right now.
[22:32] Phoenix3333: this will be made affordable
[22:32] Phoenix3333: for all of the earth
[23:29] repo: Now all we need is an RV...
[23:30] Phoenix3333: yes and it is coming
[23:30] Phoenix3333: may show up tomorrow or sunday
[23:30] Phoenix3333: I hope
[23:31] Phoenix3333: but if not...we are that much closer
[23:31] repo: I know. I hope too..
[23:31] Phoenix3333: to the goal
[23:31] repo: Yep, been in it too long to give up now.
[23:34] rand: Phoenix... That's You... HOPE... " Helping Other People Excell"...
[23:34] repo: Yes that is Phoenix..
[23:36] Phoenix3333: HOPE nice
[23:36] Phoenix3333: thats a nice thing to say thanks
[23:36] Phoenix3333: I hope so...lol
[23:36] repo: It fits you Phoenix
[23:36] Phoenix3333: just trying to help
[23:36] repo: Roger that..
[23:37] capt-ron:
[23:37] Phoenix3333: got the boy scout thing going or something........
[23:37] repo: We do what we can when we can..
[23:37] Phoenix3333: and thats a lot
[23:38] 48hotrod: I've said it before, when phx comes on chat, he immediately lifts everyone spirit
23:38] Phoenix3333: well everyone should be lifted
[23:38] Phoenix3333: we are double blessed
[23:38] Phoenix3333: we are about to be blessed with this great investment
23:39] Phoenix3333: and more so we have been blessed with TIME
[23:39] repo: amen
[23:39] Phoenix3333: time to THINK
[23:39] Phoenix3333: time to PLAN
[23:39] Phoenix3333: time to hash through ideas
[23:39] Phoenix3333: time to ask questions read and learn
23:39] Phoenix3333: and that is sucjh a great blessing in itself
[23:40] Phoenix3333: one of the major problems with the Sudden Wealth Syndrome
[23:40] Phoenix3333: is the sudden part
[23:40] Phoenix3333: things happen too fast and people do and say the wrong things and before they know it
[23:40] Phoenix3333: it is all gone
23:41] Phoenix3333: so this TIME this WAIT has been one of the greatest gifts from God to us
[23:41] repo: Gave us time to ponder
[23:42] Phoenix3333: just in the difference of short term to long term Cap gains it is HUGE!
we are talking about a difference of 20%
23:42] Phoenix3333: so on one million dollars that would be a savings of $200,000
[23:42] Phoenix3333: just for waiting over one year
[23:43] repo: I like 20%
23:43] Phoenix3333: yes
[23:43] repo: Do you get a lower % for waiting longer??
[23:43] Phoenix3333: so all the while you have been PAID for waiting
[23:44] Phoenix3333: repo you have 2 rates
[23:44] repo: 2?
23:44] Phoenix3333: one is the short term rate which is under one year and is 35%
[23:45] Phoenix3333: and for waiting OVER one year it drops to 15%
[23:46] repo: Yes , I know about that. Just wishing for a lower % if someone is 4-5-6 years..? you know.
[23:46] Phoenix3333: so one 1 million dollars the Cap gains on short term would be a tax of $350,000 but long term only $150,000
[23:46] Phoenix3333: so that is a SAVINGS of $200,000 per million!
[23:46] Phoenix3333: So you are being PAID to wait
[23:47] repo: You are so correct.
23:56] Phoenix3333: ok it is late and i am going to go read some
[23:56] Phoenix3333: i hope we see something tomorrow!
[23:57] Phoenix3333: see everyone in the am
[23:57] repo: Ty Phoniex
[23:57] Phoenix3333: ...................................................................
[23:57] Phoenix3333: yw
[23:57] Phoenix3333: night all
[23:57] Phoenix3333: has left the room
Friday, January 1, 2010
PHOENIX POST - Gold Rush
Happy New year to all!~
I hope everyone enjoyed a safe and happy new years celebration! So here we are on New Years day....so far at this writing there is nothing being reported as far as change for Iraq. So we wait on this long holiday weekend. Every bank in the world is closed today on new years day and all financial markets are down for the weekend. The perfect time for the perfect currency revaluation!
Is this "the" weekend? We will just have to see....now there have been a few "changes". The major change seen in all of this was the cancellation of the November 23rd 24th high level U.N. meeting that the governor of Central Bank of Iraq, Sinan Shabibi was to address the world delegation. This was canceled on very short notice within hours of the unexpected veto of the Iraqi election law which saw the political situation in Iraq thrown into turmoil.
The new date for this important meeting was slated to be announced on or after the 11th of December and has been announced for March 16 - 17th, 2010. High-level Dialogue on Financing for Development 23-24 November 2009, UN Headquarters, New York - has been rescheduled for March 16-17, 2010. The fourth High-level Dialogue on Financing for Development which was to take place on 23 and 24 November 2009 at United Nations Headquarters has been rescheduled for March 16-17, 2010.
This year’s Dialogue will focus on the overall theme “The Monterrey Consensus and Doha Declaration on Financing for Development: status of implementation and tasks ahead”. Link to this information and other relevant important articles: http://articlesofinterest-kelley.blogspot.com/2009/11/united-nations-monterrey-consensus-and.html
So is the rescheduling of this "event" telegraph a change of date for the "global revaluations" and "redistribution of wealth"? That my friends....is the major question. Please keep in mind...this event is so classified and so secret that any information gleaned no matter how high the contact or source is subject to change and purposeful misdirection. So if for whatever reason this weekend comes and goes with no change in the exchange rate for Iraq does that mean we wait until March? Well if for some reason this is the case then I will still be on watch for a change at anytime all the way up to the weekend of the 15th of January with great intent.
So what am I saying? I am saying I expect and am looking for the rate change this weekend. But if not then it is just a matter of "when" and not "if". This has been a long hard road for many and a lesson in life for most. We have seen the best and the worst of people...we are all human and want the same things...peace, comfort, plenty, safety and acceptance. You may have noticed that I have a way of pushing peoples buttons and am guilty of doing so at times with intent.
Why do I do this? Well the main reason is to make everyone think....to make everyone ask questions of themselves. What do you really believe? What do you really stand for? Do you know that you know? Do you have faith? Faith in yourself? Faith in your own judgment? What is in your heart? What do you really want from life?
So what is my motive and goal for doing this? My goal is to bring hope....hope to the hopeless hope to those in need. But also to bring information and facts to give positive factual backing to that hope.....so it is a hope based upon factual data and news. Now sometimes information / Intel we get is wrong...and that is to be expected with something so huge and so classified as this event.
But know this...on these forums and blogs you will find the greatest wealth of concentrated information on the global economic situation to be found anywhere. This information is so fractured and spread out it is nearly impossible to find let alone find in one spot. The people who have worked so hard to bring this information to all of the investors on these forums have done a great job.
There are many forums, blogs and researchers who have gone above and beyond the call to place themselves into the critical eye of the public in an effort to help others understand. It has become sport to watch the "he said" and "she said" of some of those who get swept into the drama of the forums. "My Intel is bigger than your Intel" etc...etc. The fact is and remains...this is a classified event with classified information and anytime you have that you will have misdirection and misinformation and that goes right along with the operation by design.
So that fact that bad Intel and bad information prevails is only to be expected. So to all of the forums and all of the great researchers who have dared to place themselves into this position of the glaring public eye in an effort to help your fellow man, I tip my hat and say thanks for all you do and have done to help others understand the scope and complexities of this "event".
So to Medic and his team...Adam and his team, Moto and his team, Mrs CK and her team, and Frank and his team....THANKS! Yes sometimes issues become emotionally charged it seems....but all must stay resolute and focused on the goal and let the drama fall to the side. So keep your spirits up and and your aim high. Stay happy...stay focused and give thanks for the good things we have and may peace, prosperity and good fortune be with you and yours for now and forever. Happy and prosperous New Year
Phoenix and Lake House
I hope everyone enjoyed a safe and happy new years celebration! So here we are on New Years day....so far at this writing there is nothing being reported as far as change for Iraq. So we wait on this long holiday weekend. Every bank in the world is closed today on new years day and all financial markets are down for the weekend. The perfect time for the perfect currency revaluation!
Is this "the" weekend? We will just have to see....now there have been a few "changes". The major change seen in all of this was the cancellation of the November 23rd 24th high level U.N. meeting that the governor of Central Bank of Iraq, Sinan Shabibi was to address the world delegation. This was canceled on very short notice within hours of the unexpected veto of the Iraqi election law which saw the political situation in Iraq thrown into turmoil.
The new date for this important meeting was slated to be announced on or after the 11th of December and has been announced for March 16 - 17th, 2010. High-level Dialogue on Financing for Development 23-24 November 2009, UN Headquarters, New York - has been rescheduled for March 16-17, 2010. The fourth High-level Dialogue on Financing for Development which was to take place on 23 and 24 November 2009 at United Nations Headquarters has been rescheduled for March 16-17, 2010.
This year’s Dialogue will focus on the overall theme “The Monterrey Consensus and Doha Declaration on Financing for Development: status of implementation and tasks ahead”. Link to this information and other relevant important articles: http://articlesofinterest-kelley.blogspot.com/2009/11/united-nations-monterrey-consensus-and.html
So is the rescheduling of this "event" telegraph a change of date for the "global revaluations" and "redistribution of wealth"? That my friends....is the major question. Please keep in mind...this event is so classified and so secret that any information gleaned no matter how high the contact or source is subject to change and purposeful misdirection. So if for whatever reason this weekend comes and goes with no change in the exchange rate for Iraq does that mean we wait until March? Well if for some reason this is the case then I will still be on watch for a change at anytime all the way up to the weekend of the 15th of January with great intent.
So what am I saying? I am saying I expect and am looking for the rate change this weekend. But if not then it is just a matter of "when" and not "if". This has been a long hard road for many and a lesson in life for most. We have seen the best and the worst of people...we are all human and want the same things...peace, comfort, plenty, safety and acceptance. You may have noticed that I have a way of pushing peoples buttons and am guilty of doing so at times with intent.
Why do I do this? Well the main reason is to make everyone think....to make everyone ask questions of themselves. What do you really believe? What do you really stand for? Do you know that you know? Do you have faith? Faith in yourself? Faith in your own judgment? What is in your heart? What do you really want from life?
So what is my motive and goal for doing this? My goal is to bring hope....hope to the hopeless hope to those in need. But also to bring information and facts to give positive factual backing to that hope.....so it is a hope based upon factual data and news. Now sometimes information / Intel we get is wrong...and that is to be expected with something so huge and so classified as this event.
But know this...on these forums and blogs you will find the greatest wealth of concentrated information on the global economic situation to be found anywhere. This information is so fractured and spread out it is nearly impossible to find let alone find in one spot. The people who have worked so hard to bring this information to all of the investors on these forums have done a great job.
There are many forums, blogs and researchers who have gone above and beyond the call to place themselves into the critical eye of the public in an effort to help others understand. It has become sport to watch the "he said" and "she said" of some of those who get swept into the drama of the forums. "My Intel is bigger than your Intel" etc...etc. The fact is and remains...this is a classified event with classified information and anytime you have that you will have misdirection and misinformation and that goes right along with the operation by design.
So that fact that bad Intel and bad information prevails is only to be expected. So to all of the forums and all of the great researchers who have dared to place themselves into this position of the glaring public eye in an effort to help your fellow man, I tip my hat and say thanks for all you do and have done to help others understand the scope and complexities of this "event".
So to Medic and his team...Adam and his team, Moto and his team, Mrs CK and her team, and Frank and his team....THANKS! Yes sometimes issues become emotionally charged it seems....but all must stay resolute and focused on the goal and let the drama fall to the side. So keep your spirits up and and your aim high. Stay happy...stay focused and give thanks for the good things we have and may peace, prosperity and good fortune be with you and yours for now and forever. Happy and prosperous New Year
Phoenix and Lake House
USD COLLAPSE 2012 AND THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT
by Christopher Laird, PrudentSquirrel.com | December 29, 2009
Devolution of the USD 2012?
As the first public article for me just before 2010, it seems appropriate for me to comment on one of the biggest stories we will be all facing – that is an end game of events leading to the end of the USD. The implications for the world are no less than Armageddon – like. I mean it.
Before we get into some details, I have been working on forecasts for 2010, and my study of the USD situation and how much time it has left.
I first came to the conclusion that it was roughly (and I am getting close here on timing, I’m sure of this) two years from 2010. Actually, the calculation is two more years of relative USD functionality before the world realizes in about a shocking week’s time that the USD is just about to really go belly up. It’s not 5 years out anymore in my calculations, we have roughly two more years left.
Wait, that coincides with 2012!
It then occurred to me, as an afterthought, wait a minute – that takes us right to 2012!…That has some real significance for many reasons. It was an accident my analysis led to that date, I did not ask ‘Will the USD collapse in 2012?’ and then do the analysis, it was the other way around. I did the analysis first and then was impressed that the date actually came to that fateful date all the prophecies are going crazy about – 2012.
I find this coincidence remarkable. I think we all are aware of many economic and political disasters that will unfold if the USD were to actually collapse. The US economy would stop dead for a period of time. And, the rest of the world, hitherto dependent on the old industrial/consumer economic model will have to find a new economic paradigm to plan their economies…
Let me interpret that last paragraph for you – The USD collapse means the entire structure of the world economy will collapse for a period of time, with a collapsed supply chain, among other things. The world will also go through cataclysms politically during that period. That usually leads to massive wars… starvation and mass homelessness – around the world…
If it fits, then it fits.
Gee, that sounds familiar, wait, it’s the same stuff being prophesied in many of the numerous 2012 prophecies of various major religions! Hmm, that is quite the coincidence. The demise of the USD will collapse the entire world economy and lead to collapsed polities, and then a massive world war. Yep, it fits like a glove. And try this on for size- I do not believe in coincidence.
Interesting.
Of course, some people cringe at an analyst such as myself talking about ‘religious bunkum prophecies’ or so it goes. But consider that this analyst is a mathematician and also a former Oracle database systems engineer. I’m not exactly some dreamer. I certainly know the analytical methods…
So, why is Chris saying this stuff then? How can you combine prophecies with analytical methods? Well, for one thing, I have a thinking paradigm where ‘if it works, it must be true, don’t leave out weird things in analysis, insisting only on some calculation based prediction’. That’s what for example chartists do. Everything must be analytical to lots of people, and that is totally wrong often! (How do you think I have been able to make major predictions months ahead of others???)
The trouble with being analytical all the time is that there are times, and this is proven, where chaos enters the picture and everything changes. Chaos is not predictable, by definition. But let’s not digress too much.
I have various metrics I’m using to come to this ‘USD has 2 years left’ proposition. By the way, I am not saying definitively, yet, that the USD only has 2 years left. This is a proposition we are discussing here, not yet a certainty.
What would happen in a USD collapse?
* The US and Western economies will all face insolvency simultaneously, with the US first in line.
* The entire Western industrial/consumer/credit economy will fall apart so fast it will make your head spin. The supply chain will stop and stores will empty in less than 3 days.
* The USD will fall over 50% in one week’s time, till it temporarily stabilizes before its final last gasp. Remember the Lehman panic over those several weeks? You have seen nothing yet.
* Worldwide currency panic will set in paralyzing what’s left of the world economy, that means the ‘emerging markets’ stop dead too.
* China has a revolution, or goes into military mode, which is worse.
* A one world currency will be demanded and implemented, and it better be fast too since the cities only have 3 days food on average…(by the way I know for a fact that a one world currency can be implemented electronically and turned on in one hour, if they wanted!)
And so on. How will Asia fare? Horribly. Look, if you based your entire economic plan on Western consumerism, and that goes away, so does your plan. It’s dead. If Western consumerism goes away, then the entire foundation of the Asia macro economy instantly crashes and stops cold. Do you remember what happened that fateful last quarter of 2008, after the Lehman debacle, and the world banking system almost collapsed en masse? Exports from China and Japan for example collapsed over 30%!
Don’t think economic demand cannot stop on a dime, because we already had one very scary case of this last year.
So, all the pundits aside, Asia gets killed too economically. The big question is, can they successfully adapt to a new economic paradigm before they have their own revolutions? I do not think so.
It will be a dark time worldwide.
There is a lot more to say here. Needless to say that will be in our future newsletters for paid subscribers. If you noticed, we have not been publishing as many public articles, and one reason is that our paid people get a great deal more of this analysis than the public articles offer. Obviously. And we have quite a batch of recent newsletters out, that will most definitely intrigue you. They are my best stuff to date.
Lastly, I would like to point out that we have made some astounding predictions over the last two years about the USD and gold and other currencies. If you stop by our site, we’ll have a page showing you them (up hopefully today). We do not make many predictions like that, maybe 2 or 3 a year. But our last batch was quite on the money… you’ll see when you take a look.
Copyright © 2009 Christopher Laird
Editorial Archive
http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/laird/2009/1229.html
Devolution of the USD 2012?
As the first public article for me just before 2010, it seems appropriate for me to comment on one of the biggest stories we will be all facing – that is an end game of events leading to the end of the USD. The implications for the world are no less than Armageddon – like. I mean it.
Before we get into some details, I have been working on forecasts for 2010, and my study of the USD situation and how much time it has left.
I first came to the conclusion that it was roughly (and I am getting close here on timing, I’m sure of this) two years from 2010. Actually, the calculation is two more years of relative USD functionality before the world realizes in about a shocking week’s time that the USD is just about to really go belly up. It’s not 5 years out anymore in my calculations, we have roughly two more years left.
Wait, that coincides with 2012!
It then occurred to me, as an afterthought, wait a minute – that takes us right to 2012!…That has some real significance for many reasons. It was an accident my analysis led to that date, I did not ask ‘Will the USD collapse in 2012?’ and then do the analysis, it was the other way around. I did the analysis first and then was impressed that the date actually came to that fateful date all the prophecies are going crazy about – 2012.
I find this coincidence remarkable. I think we all are aware of many economic and political disasters that will unfold if the USD were to actually collapse. The US economy would stop dead for a period of time. And, the rest of the world, hitherto dependent on the old industrial/consumer economic model will have to find a new economic paradigm to plan their economies…
Let me interpret that last paragraph for you – The USD collapse means the entire structure of the world economy will collapse for a period of time, with a collapsed supply chain, among other things. The world will also go through cataclysms politically during that period. That usually leads to massive wars… starvation and mass homelessness – around the world…
If it fits, then it fits.
Gee, that sounds familiar, wait, it’s the same stuff being prophesied in many of the numerous 2012 prophecies of various major religions! Hmm, that is quite the coincidence. The demise of the USD will collapse the entire world economy and lead to collapsed polities, and then a massive world war. Yep, it fits like a glove. And try this on for size- I do not believe in coincidence.
Interesting.
Of course, some people cringe at an analyst such as myself talking about ‘religious bunkum prophecies’ or so it goes. But consider that this analyst is a mathematician and also a former Oracle database systems engineer. I’m not exactly some dreamer. I certainly know the analytical methods…
So, why is Chris saying this stuff then? How can you combine prophecies with analytical methods? Well, for one thing, I have a thinking paradigm where ‘if it works, it must be true, don’t leave out weird things in analysis, insisting only on some calculation based prediction’. That’s what for example chartists do. Everything must be analytical to lots of people, and that is totally wrong often! (How do you think I have been able to make major predictions months ahead of others???)
The trouble with being analytical all the time is that there are times, and this is proven, where chaos enters the picture and everything changes. Chaos is not predictable, by definition. But let’s not digress too much.
I have various metrics I’m using to come to this ‘USD has 2 years left’ proposition. By the way, I am not saying definitively, yet, that the USD only has 2 years left. This is a proposition we are discussing here, not yet a certainty.
What would happen in a USD collapse?
* The US and Western economies will all face insolvency simultaneously, with the US first in line.
* The entire Western industrial/consumer/credit economy will fall apart so fast it will make your head spin. The supply chain will stop and stores will empty in less than 3 days.
* The USD will fall over 50% in one week’s time, till it temporarily stabilizes before its final last gasp. Remember the Lehman panic over those several weeks? You have seen nothing yet.
* Worldwide currency panic will set in paralyzing what’s left of the world economy, that means the ‘emerging markets’ stop dead too.
* China has a revolution, or goes into military mode, which is worse.
* A one world currency will be demanded and implemented, and it better be fast too since the cities only have 3 days food on average…(by the way I know for a fact that a one world currency can be implemented electronically and turned on in one hour, if they wanted!)
And so on. How will Asia fare? Horribly. Look, if you based your entire economic plan on Western consumerism, and that goes away, so does your plan. It’s dead. If Western consumerism goes away, then the entire foundation of the Asia macro economy instantly crashes and stops cold. Do you remember what happened that fateful last quarter of 2008, after the Lehman debacle, and the world banking system almost collapsed en masse? Exports from China and Japan for example collapsed over 30%!
Don’t think economic demand cannot stop on a dime, because we already had one very scary case of this last year.
So, all the pundits aside, Asia gets killed too economically. The big question is, can they successfully adapt to a new economic paradigm before they have their own revolutions? I do not think so.
It will be a dark time worldwide.
There is a lot more to say here. Needless to say that will be in our future newsletters for paid subscribers. If you noticed, we have not been publishing as many public articles, and one reason is that our paid people get a great deal more of this analysis than the public articles offer. Obviously. And we have quite a batch of recent newsletters out, that will most definitely intrigue you. They are my best stuff to date.
Lastly, I would like to point out that we have made some astounding predictions over the last two years about the USD and gold and other currencies. If you stop by our site, we’ll have a page showing you them (up hopefully today). We do not make many predictions like that, maybe 2 or 3 a year. But our last batch was quite on the money… you’ll see when you take a look.
Copyright © 2009 Christopher Laird
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PHOENIX POST - Response to waiting til 1/4/10
PHOENIX: No Clue...maybe anytime between now and then. BUT there is evidence that we may have everything pushed back until March. Things were to all happen in December but we may have a pushed back go date now. I am still looking for it this weekend. We will just have to wait and see. This stuff is so classified that information that does slip out is sketchy at best.
Dinar Daddy Tidbit: For those of you who I have spoken to, I was told before Christmas that it wouldn't happen until around or after the Iraqi elections because they missed the window they were assigned in Nov/Dec. We'll see soon enough I guess...
Dinar Daddy Tidbit: For those of you who I have spoken to, I was told before Christmas that it wouldn't happen until around or after the Iraqi elections because they missed the window they were assigned in Nov/Dec. We'll see soon enough I guess...
SFMEDIC CHAT - Dinar Speculator
I WANT YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT SOMETHING MY FRIEND LANACHY TOLD ME YESTERDAY. AS LONG AS THE SECURITY FILES AND THE ECONOMIC FILES WERE BEING NEGOTIATED OR DISCUSSED BETWEEN THE U.S. AND IRAQ
THERE WOULD NOT BE AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF AN RV BY IRAQ. YES THERE WILL BE AN RV. FOR ME ONE THING I PERSONALLY LIKED EVEN THOUGH THE U.S. DOESN'T WANT IT, WAS THAT MALIKI IS RUNNING STILL. EVEN THOUGH I THINK HE HAS BEEN IMPOTENT AS A PRIME MINISTER, HE WILL USE THE RV FOR HIMSELF AND FOR A BOOST IN PUBLIC OPINION, AND RIGHT NOW HE CAN USE ALL THE BOOST HE CAN GET.
NOW FROM I WAS TOLD YESTERDAY IS THAT CBI EMPLOYEES WERE AT WORK TODAY. THERE ARE MANY CLOSED DOOR MEETINGS GOING ON AND THERE IS ALLOT OF SECURITY INSIDE CBI THAT WASN'T THEIR LAST WEEK. NOW THIS COMES FROM AN EMPLOYEE AT CBI THAT I HAVE MENTIONED BEFORE. SHE IS SURPRISED THAT IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE. BUT DOES NOT KNOW WHAT ALL THE CLOSED DOOR MEETINGS ARE ABOUT. SHE DOES BELIEVE FOR SOME REASON THEY WANT TO COME OUT HIGHER. BUT ONLY HER GUESS. SHE HAS NOT SEEN ANY ACTUAL RATE AT CBI ONLY RUMORS WITHIN CBI.
NOW ALSO THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH ACCUSATIONS NOW BETWEEN THE U.S. EMBASSY AND MALIKI'S ADVISORS. THE U.S. WANTS THEM REMOVED BECAUSE OF INFORMATION WE HAVE ON THEM BEING PART OF A LOT OF CORRUPTION. WHAT A SURPRISE! I WILL SAY THIS ME PERSONALLY GIVE IT A 90% CHANCE OF AN RV DURING THE MONTH OF JANUARY AND A 100% CHANCE IN FEBRUARY, NLT THAN THE 1ST WEEK OF FEBRUARY.
NOW I AM GOING TO STILL BE HERE WITH YOU ALL SO WE CAN ALL HANG OUT TILL THE END. EVEN THOUGH THERE IS SOME BS THAT GOES ON. I CAN'T THINK OF A FINER GROUP OF PEOPLE TO SHARE THIS WITH TIL IT IS OVER. NOW THERE IS ALOT OF INTEL THAT STILL POINTS TO A POSSIBLE RV WITHIN THE NEXT 3 DAYS, BUT I JUST GOT THIS ITCH THAT HAS TO BE SCRATCHED THAT THIS SECURITY ISSUE HAS TO BE RESOLVED WITH THE U.S. AND IRAQ, AND SO FAR I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT SAYS THEY FINISHED THE DISCUSSIONS OR NEGOTIATIONS.
NOW ALL THE STUFF ON THE 10 CURRENCIES THAT SUPPOSEDLY RV'D. AS I SAID, I AM MIFFED IF THEY RV'D OR DID THEY JUST INCREASE IN VALUE BECAUSE OF SOME OTHER REASON? NOW REMEMBER THIS, SAUDI ARABIA IS PEGGED AGAINST THE USD, AND THE USD FINISHED YESTERDAY AT A HIGH OF .78 CENTS AGAINST THE EURO. SO THAT ALSO COULD BE THE REASON FOR THEIR INCREASE AND THE OTHER OIL COUNTRIES INCREASE OF .03 - .04 CENTS.
NOW I CAN'T EXPLAIN BAHRAINS JUMP OR KUWAITS HUGE INCREASE, ALSO JORDAN TOOK ALMOST A .10 CENT JUMP. SO HOW MANY INCREASED: JORDAN, EGYPT, OMAN, QUATAR, DUBAI (UAE), KUWAIT, SAUDI ARABIA, TURKEY, AND TWO MORE I CAN'T REMEMBER... BAHRAIN... OK THAT IS 9... HMMM... AND 11 COUNTRIES WERE OR HAVE BEEN ON THE LIST. DID ISRAEL RV OR INCREASE?
OH ONE THING OK ON THE RV OR RI. IT IS NOT AND CANNOT BE AN RI. THERE IS NOTHING TO REINSTATE. REMEMBER KUWAIT DID A REINSTATEMENT ONLY BECAUSE OF SADAAM HAVING STOLEN SO MUCH OF THEIR CURRENCY, AND HE HAD ALL THE SERIAL NUMBERS OF ALL KUWAITS CURRENCY AFTER HE GOT THE BOOT OUT OF KUWAIT BY THE U.S. AND IT'S ALLIES, SO THEY HAD TO REISSUE AND THEN REINSTATE IT. THAT IS ONLY A RUMOR FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO SENSATIONALIZE A 3 PLUS RATE. PLEASE AGAIN I ASK YOU TAKE THE TIME TO READ THE CSIS REPORT I POSTED. IT IS AN EXCELLENT EVALUATION OF THE SITUATION IN IRAQ.
THERE WOULD NOT BE AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF AN RV BY IRAQ. YES THERE WILL BE AN RV. FOR ME ONE THING I PERSONALLY LIKED EVEN THOUGH THE U.S. DOESN'T WANT IT, WAS THAT MALIKI IS RUNNING STILL. EVEN THOUGH I THINK HE HAS BEEN IMPOTENT AS A PRIME MINISTER, HE WILL USE THE RV FOR HIMSELF AND FOR A BOOST IN PUBLIC OPINION, AND RIGHT NOW HE CAN USE ALL THE BOOST HE CAN GET.
NOW FROM I WAS TOLD YESTERDAY IS THAT CBI EMPLOYEES WERE AT WORK TODAY. THERE ARE MANY CLOSED DOOR MEETINGS GOING ON AND THERE IS ALLOT OF SECURITY INSIDE CBI THAT WASN'T THEIR LAST WEEK. NOW THIS COMES FROM AN EMPLOYEE AT CBI THAT I HAVE MENTIONED BEFORE. SHE IS SURPRISED THAT IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE. BUT DOES NOT KNOW WHAT ALL THE CLOSED DOOR MEETINGS ARE ABOUT. SHE DOES BELIEVE FOR SOME REASON THEY WANT TO COME OUT HIGHER. BUT ONLY HER GUESS. SHE HAS NOT SEEN ANY ACTUAL RATE AT CBI ONLY RUMORS WITHIN CBI.
NOW ALSO THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH ACCUSATIONS NOW BETWEEN THE U.S. EMBASSY AND MALIKI'S ADVISORS. THE U.S. WANTS THEM REMOVED BECAUSE OF INFORMATION WE HAVE ON THEM BEING PART OF A LOT OF CORRUPTION. WHAT A SURPRISE! I WILL SAY THIS ME PERSONALLY GIVE IT A 90% CHANCE OF AN RV DURING THE MONTH OF JANUARY AND A 100% CHANCE IN FEBRUARY, NLT THAN THE 1ST WEEK OF FEBRUARY.
NOW I AM GOING TO STILL BE HERE WITH YOU ALL SO WE CAN ALL HANG OUT TILL THE END. EVEN THOUGH THERE IS SOME BS THAT GOES ON. I CAN'T THINK OF A FINER GROUP OF PEOPLE TO SHARE THIS WITH TIL IT IS OVER. NOW THERE IS ALOT OF INTEL THAT STILL POINTS TO A POSSIBLE RV WITHIN THE NEXT 3 DAYS, BUT I JUST GOT THIS ITCH THAT HAS TO BE SCRATCHED THAT THIS SECURITY ISSUE HAS TO BE RESOLVED WITH THE U.S. AND IRAQ, AND SO FAR I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT SAYS THEY FINISHED THE DISCUSSIONS OR NEGOTIATIONS.
NOW ALL THE STUFF ON THE 10 CURRENCIES THAT SUPPOSEDLY RV'D. AS I SAID, I AM MIFFED IF THEY RV'D OR DID THEY JUST INCREASE IN VALUE BECAUSE OF SOME OTHER REASON? NOW REMEMBER THIS, SAUDI ARABIA IS PEGGED AGAINST THE USD, AND THE USD FINISHED YESTERDAY AT A HIGH OF .78 CENTS AGAINST THE EURO. SO THAT ALSO COULD BE THE REASON FOR THEIR INCREASE AND THE OTHER OIL COUNTRIES INCREASE OF .03 - .04 CENTS.
NOW I CAN'T EXPLAIN BAHRAINS JUMP OR KUWAITS HUGE INCREASE, ALSO JORDAN TOOK ALMOST A .10 CENT JUMP. SO HOW MANY INCREASED: JORDAN, EGYPT, OMAN, QUATAR, DUBAI (UAE), KUWAIT, SAUDI ARABIA, TURKEY, AND TWO MORE I CAN'T REMEMBER... BAHRAIN... OK THAT IS 9... HMMM... AND 11 COUNTRIES WERE OR HAVE BEEN ON THE LIST. DID ISRAEL RV OR INCREASE?
OH ONE THING OK ON THE RV OR RI. IT IS NOT AND CANNOT BE AN RI. THERE IS NOTHING TO REINSTATE. REMEMBER KUWAIT DID A REINSTATEMENT ONLY BECAUSE OF SADAAM HAVING STOLEN SO MUCH OF THEIR CURRENCY, AND HE HAD ALL THE SERIAL NUMBERS OF ALL KUWAITS CURRENCY AFTER HE GOT THE BOOT OUT OF KUWAIT BY THE U.S. AND IT'S ALLIES, SO THEY HAD TO REISSUE AND THEN REINSTATE IT. THAT IS ONLY A RUMOR FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO SENSATIONALIZE A 3 PLUS RATE. PLEASE AGAIN I ASK YOU TAKE THE TIME TO READ THE CSIS REPORT I POSTED. IT IS AN EXCELLENT EVALUATION OF THE SITUATION IN IRAQ.
MUST BE A BALANCED BUDGET BEFORE JAN 31, 2010.
Just my tidbit... They can't finish balancing their budget until they complete the RV. Could this tip their hand to us on this crazy investment? Who knows... something to keep in mind.
Talabani: there must be a balance in 2010 before the end of January
31 12 2009 12:34
BAGHDAD (AP) -
Stressed the Kurdistan Alliance MP Alaa Talabani must vote and approve the budget before the end of 2010 constitutional period to allow the House of Representatives legislation and adoption of laws, rejecting deferred to the next Parliament.
She Talabani told Iraq is our home on Thursday that the extension of the constitutional period of the work of the House of Representatives one month was "to establish some laws, including the outstanding balance in 2010" before the end of his constitutional term, which expires on 31 / 1 / 2009 and its entry in the constitutional vacuum.
She reached the House of Representatives and the presence of the Minister of Finance and some of his advisers "to solve some problems of financial disputes between the KRG and the central government within this budget."
Talabani added that the reasons for the delay of the adoption of this budget, "and fears of some of the characters inside the political blocs of the government's exploitation of these funds for personal purposes in electoral propaganda. / / Last update: 31 12 2009 12:44
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Talabani: there must be a balance in 2010 before the end of January
31 12 2009 12:34
BAGHDAD (AP) -
Stressed the Kurdistan Alliance MP Alaa Talabani must vote and approve the budget before the end of 2010 constitutional period to allow the House of Representatives legislation and adoption of laws, rejecting deferred to the next Parliament.
She Talabani told Iraq is our home on Thursday that the extension of the constitutional period of the work of the House of Representatives one month was "to establish some laws, including the outstanding balance in 2010" before the end of his constitutional term, which expires on 31 / 1 / 2009 and its entry in the constitutional vacuum.
She reached the House of Representatives and the presence of the Minister of Finance and some of his advisers "to solve some problems of financial disputes between the KRG and the central government within this budget."
Talabani added that the reasons for the delay of the adoption of this budget, "and fears of some of the characters inside the political blocs of the government's exploitation of these funds for personal purposes in electoral propaganda. / / Last update: 31 12 2009 12:44
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